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Old 09-18-2012, 10:07 AM  
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Geno Smith fans roll call

NEW THREAD HEADER (11/17/12):

The list is gone. We will all be Geno Smith fans when he gets drafted by the Chiefs. For historical documentation's sake, I'll keep the list in a separate post on this thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3314

WHY GENO SMITH?
If you're wondering if Geno Smith is right for you, check out this brilliant post by Saccopoo:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5388

Next, we have a few GIFs you may be interested in from the Oklahoma game. Insane potential. These are the elite throws that very few QBs can make. What more can I say? Geno Smith can be a franchise QB in the NFL, and the Chiefs need to take a shot on him.

GIF #1:
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GIF #3 (My favorite):
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HOW DO WE GET HIM HERE?

Glad you asked. I posted this checklist earlier. It probably belongs in the thread header, and will be updated as the Chiefs close out their season and start a new chapter in their franchise story.

Preparing for Geno Smith's Arrival In KC Checklist

1. [X] Lose games and acquire the #1 overall pick
2. [X] Get Pioli and the Patriot Way cronies the **** out
3. [X] Hire new GM/coach

OPTIONAL (but highly recommended):
4. [ ] Re-sign/tag Bowe, who really wants to play in KC with Geno
5. [ ] Re-sign/tag Albert

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Old 11-25-2012, 12:53 PM   #3841
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I am not dwelling on it.

I am responding to it with each post that you respond.

The fact is, that absolute floor that you point out is why he has far less bust potettial.

That is sheer and utter dipshitery.

I said that he has a tendency to stare down his primary deep read when he feels the need for big plays.

If he is not playing to keep up with opponents, that is not an issue.
No, I said he has less bust potential because at absolute worst he is Vick. When that's the worst case scenario, that's not bad. More likely absolute worst is he is a big Ben, who uses speed instead of size to extend plays where others can't. His upside is he becomes an exceptional passer with a scary athletic bailout. Genos downside, sorry, is if he truly can't become a good pure mental qb he isn't even starting qb material. RgIII has much greater upside and a much safer downside.

And look... Geno has shown he can run through progressions better than a lot of typical spread qbs. But let's not pretend its something he has to prove in ways well beyond what he's demonstrated so far. He has to do it, do it often, and do it quickly and well. I believe he can. But is it a risk? For now, yes, and Moreso than a qb whose college offense is built around doing this all the time.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:58 PM   #3842
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No, I said he has less bust potential because at absolute worst he is Vick. When that's the worst case scenario, that's not bad. More likely absolute worst is he is a big Ben, who uses speed instead of size to extend plays where others can't. His upside is he becomes an exceptional passer with a scary athletic bailout. Genos downside, sorry, is if he truly can't become a good pure mental qb he isn't even starting qb material. RgIII has much greater upside and a much safer downside.

And look... Geno has shown he can run through progressions better than a lot of typical spread qbs. But let's not pretend its something he has to prove in ways well beyond what he's demonstrated so far. He has to do it, do it often, and do it quickly and well. I believe he can. But is it a risk? For now, yes, and Moreso than a qb whose college offense is built around doing this all the time.
And again, I point out that I don't ****ing care if RGIII doesn't bust because of his ability to run.

If he doesn't succeed as a pocket passer, and Smith doesn't succeed as pocket passer, then the only differnce is that you win some games with RGIII that you don't win with Smith.

I don't ****ing care about winning a few extra games.

If neither succeed as a pocket passer, then you aren't going to the SB with either one, and that's all I ****ing care about, you useless dipshit.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:06 PM   #3843
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And again, I point out that I don't ****ing care if RGIII doesn't bust because of his ability to run.

If he doesn't succeed as a pocket passer, and Smith doesn't succeed as pocket passer, then the only differnce is that you win some games with RGIII that you don't win with Smith.

I don't ****ing care about winning a few extra games.

If neither succeed as a pocket passer, then you aren't going to the SB with either one, and that's all I ****ing care about, you useless dipshit.
Fair point. But again... What always intrigued me about rgIII is I always believed the more likely worse case scenario is a qb who holds on to the ball too long but can use his legs to throw downfield. Even if geno has the pocket presence to do it, he just can't move away from the pocket in the same way rgIII can. You can't design an offense to move him around the pocket in nearly the same creative way.

And as I've said... His upside is he becomes an exceptional passer with exceptional ability to extend plays and stretch the field in ways that are uncommon.

His athleticism turns him into a prospect geno can't be.
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This is a good response. Thank you.

But I'm sorry... You brought up how Genos stats compare to lucks, you brought up luck having much better talent around him
And? They are very comparable and Geno most definitely has less talent around him this year than Luck did at Stanford last year. Are you arguing against this?

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...you made the bold claim that geno could fit in seamlessly at Stanford
Yep. And there is nothing that I've seen from Geno that says he couldn't. However, apparently, you don't think he would/could. Why don't you believe he could?

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...you brought up luck having more ints than geno...
And? Did he or didn't he?

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What agenda?

I want the Chiefs to draft Geno Smith. Period. That's it.

You are the one flipping the **** out because someone mentioned Geno and Luck in the same post. The horse is on the way to the glue factory and you're still attempting to make an issue out of it.
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Fair point. But again... What always intrigued me about rgIII is I always believed the more likely worse case scenario is a qb who holds on to the ball too long but can use his legs to throw downfield. Even if geno has the pocket presence to do it, he just can't move away from the pocket in the same way rgIII can. You can't design an offense to move him around the pocket in nearly the same creative way.

And as I've said... His upside is he becomes an exceptional passer with exceptional ability to extend plays and stretch the field in ways that are uncommon.

His athleticism turns him into a prospect geno can't be.
You are overplaying RGIII's speed as something that makes him more mobile, while underplaying the fact that Geno has exceptional mobility.

Yes, RGIII is faster, but they both have outstanding ability to break containment, and they both have outstanding ability to make plays with their arms when they get outside the pocket.

RGIII's speed just makes him more dangerous as a runner if everything else breaks down, but Smith is more advanced at keeping his head downfield, and not just checking down once he gets outside the pocket.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:21 PM   #3847
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And? They are very comparable and Geno most definitely has less talent around him this year than Luck did at Stanford last year. Are you arguing against this?
Yes. I think it's ridiculous to compare stats between an aerial offense qb and a pro style offense qb. Stats are irrelevant when evaluating Luck.

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Yep. And there is nothing that I've seen from Geno that says he couldn't. However, apparently, you don't think he would/could. Why don't you believe he could?
Could geno succeed in Stanford's offense? Absolutely. Would he have been as successful as Luck? Probably not. Because you are asking a guy to be better than a guy who was the best qb prospect in ten years. And you are asking him to outthink a qb that showed in college he was smarter than most nfl qbs. Geno couldn't. Bradford couldn't. Matt Ryan couldn't. I still believe luck is a once in a generation draft pick.

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And? Did he or didn't he?
Don't hide behind your agenda. You are trying to compare geno to luck than pretend that you're not.

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What agenda?

I want the Chiefs to draft Geno Smith. Period. That's it.

You are the one flipping the **** out because someone mentioned Geno and Luck in the same post. The horse is on the way to the glue factory and you're still attempting to make an issue out of it.
Because I hate overhype and I hate demonizing. Something this board does a lot. Your agenda was pretty clear. Luck shouldn't even be in the conversation of comparisons. At all.
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Yes. I think it's ridiculous to compare stats between an aerial offense qb and a pro style offense qb. Stats are irrelevant when evaluating Luck.
But yet you keep hyping Griffin's pro potential and he was basically a single year wonder out of a true spread system.

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Could geno succeed in Stanford's offense? Absolutely. Would he have been as successful as Luck? Probably not. Because you are asking a guy to be better than a guy who was the best qb prospect in ten years. And you are asking him to outthink a qb that showed in college he was smarter than most nfl qbs. Geno couldn't. Bradford couldn't. Matt Ryan couldn't. I still believe luck is a once in a generation draft pick.
Sure he is. No one is denying that. You are getting all worked up over nothing. And, besides, I think it's silly to emphatically state that Geno "couldn't" because he's doing the same thing with less.

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Don't hide behind your agenda. You are trying to compare geno to luck than pretend that you're not.
I'm not comparing Geno to Luck other than attempting to show the Luck or Bust alternate reality, history revisionist crowd that Geno is putting up numbers that are comparable to Luck's numbers. That he's doind so in a situation that is less ideal that what Luck had at Stanford last season is all the more impressive. At least to me.

It's people like you that are crying in their spilled milk that we didn't take either guy last year and are left with the leftovers this year, not realizing that there was no way in hell that we had a chance at either of them.

And it's people like me who see a guy like Geno as approximately on the same level as those two (and, as stated, I like him better than Griffin at the same stage) and I'm happy as hell to get a chance to get a guy like that for the Chiefs.

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Because I hate overhype and I hate demonizing. Something this board does a lot. Your agenda was pretty clear. Luck shouldn't even be in the conversation of comparisons. At all.
You yourself are guilty of both with Griffin and Luck. Luck isn't the end all be all 3,000% better guy you apparently think he is.

It's like someone screaming that Elway was the greatest ever and anyone that compared Kelly or Marino to him was a moron because he was guaranteed to be the best quarterback prospect ever by the pundits.

Personally, I could care less about both Griffin and Luck. They aren't on the Chiefs. **** 'em.

I do care about the Chiefs, and want them to get the best QB that they can. That guy is Geno.
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Oh, those Cleveland and Jacksonville wins today warm my heart.

Feels good.
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3 more games SNR. We just need to lose our next 3 and we WIN the Geno sweepstakes.

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Oh, those Cleveland and Jacksonville wins today warm my heart.

Feels good.
Until we don't take Geno.

Also, I am changing my mind. I think Buffalo could move to #1 and take a QB. However, Geno WILL NOT go #1. There is just no way. the more tape I watch, the more I see how unlikely that is.
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Until we don't take Geno.

Also, I am changing my mind. I think Buffalo could move to #1 and take a QB. However, Geno WILL NOT go #1. There is just no way. the more tape I watch, the more I see how unlikely that is.
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Until we don't take Geno.

Also, I am changing my mind. I think Buffalo could move to #1 and take a QB. However, Geno WILL NOT go #1. There is just no way. the more tape I watch, the more I see how unlikely that is.
When the Chiefs are winning with Geno Smith, I will do everything I can to convince the mods to put you on universal ignore for the rest of your sorry ****ing life.

The Chiefs will be good again with a great QB and you won't be allowed to relish in those victories with the other fans because you're a turd and a half.
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