Post your top 5 rock bands of all time

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

We're making a record right now, and I have 3 or 4 bass signals at a time and one of them is a direct through a preamp in case we wind up using a plug-in during the mixing stage...I'm just trying NOT to.

And personally, I hate that approach.

Get a great bass tone from the amp, cabinet, microphone, instrument, strings, pick/fingers and record.

Make a decision and go with it. Having options doesn't make the music any better and it generally tends to **** things up come mixing time.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

The producer knows and can hear...that's a big reasons why even rock producers went to Rockmans and triggered drums

No, not really. Not at all, actually.

The Rockman was a new creative tool and it sounded unlike any other guitar amp or guitar recording chain. Same with drum machines. There was an isolation that had never existed before and new sound.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

...and why they do plug-ins and triggered drums now. Control, absolute control.

Again, that's not true at all.

Drum samples came into play for various reasons. A guy like CLA uses them because it defines his sound. Bob Clearmountain used them and shared his library with others because it defined his sound.

Producers don't generally use drum samples unless they ****ed something up while tracking and that usually isn't the case. Mixers like to supplement recorded drums with samples to fit their vision, although it's not unlikely that the drums are replaced in their entirety.

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

It will sound slightly different every time no matter what. A lot of ears can't even tell the difference from day to day, but it's there. It's a natural byproduct of analog gear and acoustical physics.

I just don't agree, whatsoever. If you're using high end gear like Neve, SSL, API, Drawmer, Empirical Labs, Vintech, etc. and so on and the gear is properly maintained in a clean, temperature controlled room, there is absolutely no reason why anything should sound different from day to day.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And personally, I hate that approach.

Get a great bass tone from the amp, cabinet, microphone, instrument, strings, pick/fingers and record.

Make a decision and go with it. Having options doesn't make the music any better and it generally tends to **** things up come mixing time.

Totally with you on this - I'm just running extra tracks to appease everyone else.

Come mixing time...we're using my stereo-miked cabs. Already a done deal.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Rockman was a new creative tool and it sounded unlike any other guitar amp or guitar recording chain. Same with drum machines. There was an isolation that had never existed before and new sound.

Just never was a fan. Compressed and sterile, to my ears.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Drum samples came into play for various reasons. A guy like CLA uses them because it defines his sound. Bob Clearmountain used them and shared his library with others because it defined his sound.

Producers don't generally use drum samples unless they ****ed something up while tracking and that usually isn't the case. Mixers like to supplement recorded drums with samples to fit their vision, although it's not unlikely that the drums are replaced in their entirety.

They do that nowadays, in the 'modern rock' world. Not drum samples, but triggers on the actual drums, so that it's actually someone playing, for a 'live band' feel, but digitally triggered.

Think any Nickleback, Disturbed, or Saliva record you've ever heard.

Again, not a fan.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I just don't agree, whatsoever. If you're using high end gear like Neve, SSL, API, Drawmer, Empirical Labs, Vintech, etc. and so on and the gear is properly maintained in a clean, temperature controlled room, there is absolutely no reason why anything should sound different from day to day.

Dude, it's all top notch gear. If you're feeling different each day, the guitar plays different each day.

It may just be a musician thing...of course I'm a weirdo with acute hearing.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Driving Wheel

Dude, it's all top notch gear. If you're feeling different each day, the guitar plays different each day.

It may just be a musician thing...of course I'm a weirdo with acute hearing.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think it has more to do with someone's head than the actual gear itself.

And I've got just a wee bit experience in this arena myself.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think it has more to do with someone's head than the actual gear itself.

And I've got just a wee bit experience in this arena myself.

I can tell.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think it has more to do with someone's head than the actual gear itself.

I just caught that...and probably so.