Belcher to Pioli, "I Love you bro"

[kczoo]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...i-love-you-bro

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

In order to answer your question absolutely. He didn't GO outside, he was already there. HE called the other people out there.


Again, I'm not trying to vilify Pioli in this, but I don't believe he did anything above and beyond what any normal person would do.

My understanding is that the Chiefs were warned that he was on his way there, that he may have had a gun, and that he had possibly committed some type of violent crime. If Pioli was outside waiting for him, that makes it more impressive (or maybe foolhardy) in my opinion.

You keep saying any normal person would do that, and that simply isn't true.

[mikey23545]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Pioli is a ****ing genious. He is going to work this into being a sympathy maryter and get the fan support on his side.

Or maybe you're just looking at this through the sick, twisted lens of your own mind.

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Brock

My understanding is that the Chiefs were warned that he was on his way there, that he may have had a gun, and that he had possibly committed some type of violent crime. If Pioli was outside waiting for him, that makes it more impressive (or maybe foolhardy) in my opinion.

You keep saying any normal person would do that, and that simply isn't true.

Agreed.

[Old Dog]

My understanding was that Pioli was outside when he arrived. NOt that he neccessarily planned to meet him there knowing he was armed and what he had done.

If what I believe is the case, then yes, any normal person would try to talk him down.

[Rasputin]

We could have had a different GM in place and the environment could have been much better for the organization. Scott Pioli just happen to be the GM and is who he is. I don't know if this is going change him in his approach but I don't think he deserves this job. Pioli has scarred the fan base and that is separate from this weekends actions of Bitchler. I don't blame Pioli for what Bitchler did or what ever his reaction was to the situation. I'm still not going like Scott Pioli as our GM and want him fired today. I can wait it out till the end of the season and will support the team for healing of their hearts with prayer.

Romeo Crennel did an admirable job this weekend. I like him as a person and a man. I wish him the best of life. I can't say I want him back next year, but I'm not going be upset if he is just depends on our next GM and if we get a QBoft with our first pick of the draft.

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

My understanding was that Pioli was outside when he arrived. NOt that he neccessarily planned to meet him there knowing he was armed and what he had done.

If what I believe is the case, then yes, any normal person would try to talk him down.

You cannot discount the level of love and integrity these men have in trying to reach out to a distraught man with a gun. Pioli chose to comply with Belcher's request to call Crennel out to try to assist. And Crennel went. It seems they were doing everything they could to try to help Belcher not make two mistakes. Maybe further facts will show us something else but based on this story as it's being told I think they deserve our respect for trying to help in a situation few of us are trained to handle. Or, in Crennel's case, willingly walk into.

[Old Dog]

Honestly, I couldn't possibly care less what YOU think. There are many people on here for whom I have great respect. You are not one of those.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If it weren't for football, nobody would give a !@#$ about a random hot-head offing himself.

It is absolutely a football story because only through football is it a story at all.

People are trying to avoid discussing this in terms of what it means to our football team and I just don't understand why. The only reason we care at all is because of our football team. I have no problem at all with folks that ask if this will save Pioli's job or if it means we'll pursue Te'o now to replace Belcher. If not, how do we replace Belcher next season?

It's relevant to what we're all here to discuss.

And yeah, given Pioli's history as a callous shitheel and soulless self-promoter, I don't mind the 'how do we know he isn't making this up' line of thought either.

You don't get to spend 4 years being a cockholster to everyone and then be surprised when people aren't dying to throw sympathy your way.

Yes and no.

The reason we know/care about this is because it happened to someone who plays professional football in Kansas City, sure.

And it will affect the team (obviously. See: victory, yesterday). However, the turning of these events into a "Pioli won't get fired now" or "CHunt doesn't have the stones to can Crennel after this" is both pathetic and callous. It's a grotesque distortion ofa terrible tragedy, spinning it into a realm that people feel comfortable talking about.

I am confident that the victim's mother doesn't give a hot shit whether or not this extends Brian Daboll's contract.

This doesn't have nearly enough of a football impact to justify the way people are discussing it.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

My understanding was that Pioli was outside when he arrived. NOt that he neccessarily planned to meet him there knowing he was armed and what he had done.

If what I believe is the case, then yes, any normal person would try to talk him down.

i took it this way too.

i took it like they both arrived right around the same time, hell an article posted here said exactly that. and pioli saw he was distraught and started talking to him and a security guard saw the gun and called police

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

Honestly, I couldn't possibly care less what YOU think. There are many people on here for whom I have great respect. You are not one of those.

Ditto.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Yes and no.

The reason we know/care about this is because it happened to someone who plays professional football in Kansas City, sure.

And it will affect the team (obviously. See: victory, yesterday). However, the turning of these events into a "Pioli won't get fired now" or "CHunt doesn't have the stones to can Crennel after this" is both pathetic and callous. It's a grotesque distortion ofa terrible tragedy, spinning it into a realm that people feel comfortable talking about.

I am confident that the victim's mother doesn't give a hot shit whether or not this extends Brian Daboll's contract.

This doesn't have nearly enough of a football impact to justify the way people are discussing it.

Are you the victim's mother? Is anyone on this board? Who gives a wet fart what they think about our discussion of Dabol's contract? They're not here, they're handling this in a context well apart from a dumbass internet chat room.

You said the operative phrase here and it's all that really matters in the context of what happens on this board - "spinning it into a realm that people feel comfortable talking about".

And why the **** shouldn't they? Everyone, literally every single person on this board, is here to talk Chiefs football. And none of us are here for community service or as a calling from God. We're here as an escape from life and as a place to dick around, make fart jokes and talk about sports, tits and whatever else floats our boat.

It's the virtual equivalent of a dive bar, but with nicer accoutrements.

Why exactly do you want us to sit around and wax poetic about the philosophical underpinnings of a murder/suicide?

Do that with your family. Do that with your pastor. Do that with your co-workers if need be. But that's not why this board exists.

But by all means, keep judging because Chiefsplanet, complete with poop threads and intentionally incorrect grammar, hasn't turned into your grandmother's sewing circle over the last 48 hours. I assure you, it is neither grating or preachy and we all really do appreciate the perspective you're here to force feed us.

[Old Dog]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i took it this way too.

i took it like they both arrived right around the same time, hell an article posted here said exactly that. and pioli saw he was distraught and started talking to him and a security guard saw the gun and called police

That's what I've read as well. So I ask, what ELSE would folks do in this situation other than to try to talk to him? Running away or rushing him neither sound like better options. The best idea is to try to keep the situation as calm as possible.
I'm not saying Pioli did anything wrong, only that he's not a hero in my eyes for the actions they did take.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Both of them.

Within sights.

Right there.

This really IS the team of missed opportunities.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

That's what I've read as well. So I ask, what ELSE would folks do in this situation other than to try to talk to him? Running away or rushing him neither sound like better options. The best idea is to try to keep the situation as calm as possible.
I'm not saying Pioli did anything wrong, only that he's not a hero in my eyes for the actions they did take.

Originally Posted by -King-

Crennel: “I wasn’t able to reach the young man”
Posted by Mike Florio on December 2, 2012, 7:42 PM EST


To cap an emotional and informative opening segment to Football Night in America, Peter King of Sports Illustrated supplied some new details regarding Saturday’s tragic events in Kansas City.

Citing a source close to law enforcement on the scene, King explained that Jovan Belcher and Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli separately arrived at the parking lot outside the team’s facility, at approximately 8:00 a.m. local time. Pioli noticed that Belcher seemed very upset. Police say Pioli tried to calm him down.

At the same time, a Chiefs security officer saw that Belcher had a gun in his possession. The security officer called police.

During a short conversation, Belcher thanked Pioli for giving him an opportunity as an undrafted free agent from Maine in 2009. Belcher then asked Pioli to call coach Romeo Crennel and defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs so that he could thank them, too.

Crennel and Gibbs came outside, and Belcher thanked them profusely. He wasn’t willing to talk to them or to be reasoned with. Instead, he repeatedly thanked them.

“I wasn’t able able to reach the young man,” Crennel told King after the game, but Crennel declined to be specific about what Belcher had said.

Belcher then turned around, began to walk away and shot himself in the head.
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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Old Dog

That's what I've read as well. So I ask, what ELSE would folks do in this situation other than to try to talk to him? Running away or rushing him neither sound like better options. The best idea is to try to keep the situation as calm as possible.
I'm not saying Pioli did anything wrong, only that he's not a hero in my eyes for the actions they did take.

This.

Pioli should be commended for trying to save the kid's life. He should be consoled for having to witness what he witnessed.

But calling him a "hero" seems a bit hyperbolic.