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Old 12-31-2011, 02:52 PM  
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2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
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With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

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Old 12-10-2012, 06:21 PM   #10621
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Yeah. I look at that list of 8, and it's a bunch of no-name dogs that seem to make no sense sitting on a list of the games best starters. Let's drop "wins" from the group.


Sabermetrics is cool, but it's not really disproving anything here in this instance.
By all true measurements, Shields is around the 25th best pitcher in the league. Don't try and oversell me on this ace bullshit.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:26 PM   #10622
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Odorizzi throws 4 pitches. How many more does he have left to learn?
are those pitches any good? Most pitchers mechanically know how one could throw at least 7 or 8 pitches.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:29 PM   #10623
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By all true measurements, Shields is around the 25th best pitcher in the league. Don't try and oversell me on this ace bullshit.
Wouldn't ace, by definition, be the top 30 pitchers in baseball? We have 30 teams, 30 #1 slots, and the word "ace" is synonymous with the number one. Some teams obviously have more than 1 ace, and some have none, but I'd say the cutoff is probably the 30th-best pitcher, the cutoff for "#2 pitcher" is at #60, and so on.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:31 PM   #10624
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:31 PM   #10625
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Wouldn't ace, by definition, be the top 30 pitchers in baseball? We have 30 teams, 30 #1 slots, and the word "ace" is synonymous with the number one. Some teams obviously have more than 1 ace, and some have none, but I'd say the cutoff is probably the 30th-best pitcher, the cutoff for "#2 pitcher" is at #60, and so on.
That's what I was thinking as well, if Zack had magically signed on to the Royals again, I am sure many would be rejoicing that we had an ace again. This is rather hypocritical, as Shields has actually outpitched the 147 Million Dollar Man over the past two seasons.

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Old 12-10-2012, 06:31 PM   #10626
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Wouldn't ace, by definition, be the top 30 pitchers in baseball? We have 30 teams, 30 #1 slots, and the word "ace" is synonymous with the number one. Some teams obviously have more than 1 ace, and some have none, but I'd say the cutoff is probably the 30th-best pitcher, the cutoff for "#2 pitcher" is at #60, and so on.
I would say there is not a true ace on every pitching staff, just as there is not a franchise QB on every football team. JMO.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:34 PM   #10627
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I would say there is not a true ace on every pitching staff, just as there is not a franchise QB on every football team. JMO.
well yeah. I specifically said that.

We should be able to come up with a list of pitchers who are under contract to pitch in 2013, and from that list, we have 30 aces, 30 #2's, 30 #3's, etc.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:37 PM   #10628
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well yeah. I specifically said that.

We should be able to come up with a list of pitchers who are under contract to pitch in 2013, and from that list, we have 30 aces, 30 #2's, 30 #3's, etc.
Shields is borderline. But overselling it as some great trade where we grabbed some top 10 pitcher is disingenuous. (as the prison fella is doing)

I am actually cooling off about the trade as a whole. The thing is, if we don't win this year, these young players may just give up hope of ever being a winner in KC. You could already see the seams of the clubhouse getting ready to burst at the end of last year. I specifically remember frenchy getting thrown out at second like a dumbass and Hosmer/Moose just ripping him a new asshole.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:39 PM   #10629
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:43 PM   #10630
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By all true measurements, Shields is around the 25th best pitcher in the league. Don't try and oversell me on this ace bullshit.

Bull. Shields is a damn good pitcher. You don't just walk out there on the mound in the Bigs, and toss 200 IP and strike out 200+. Esp in the AL with the DH in these lineups. Saying he's not that hot......it's bull.



And I'm totally against the trade so, can't accuse me of bias here.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:44 PM   #10631
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I would say there is not a true ace on every pitching staff, just as there is not a franchise QB on every football team. JMO.
Crazy-ass analogy. There are 5 pitchers in a rotation and only 1 QB. A better analogy would be to say every NFL team has 1 playmaker at the WR/RB position. That's four guys to choose from. Most do, some do not. But QB to a rotation is a dumb analogy.
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That's the thing - they don't.

Find me someone in your farm system that can play a plus RF, adequate 2b and give you a .360 OBP against righties. The Royals had exactly 1 guy on their major league roster put up a .360 OBP against RHers last season.

People sleep on Skip's ability to get on base - he's actually quite good at it.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:01 PM   #10634
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Shields is a legit #2+ type pitcher ... not an ace but a solid,winning pitcher

Wade Davis is a solid 3 or a stud long reliever

Hosmer rebounds

Frenchy straightens up at the plate

Cain stays healthy

Gio figures it out


Royals go to World Series


BOOM!!!!!!!
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:05 PM   #10635
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Shields is a legit #2+ type pitcher ... not an ace but a solid,winning pitcher

Wade Davis is a solid 3 or a stud long reliever

Hosmer rebounds

Frenchy straightens up at the plate

Cain stays healthy

Gio figures it out


Royals go to World Series


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I started looking at the Tigers lineup, and rotation. Looking at the Bill James projections (which by the way predicts a bunch of our players will rebound), and its sobering.

Detroit, on paper, looks pretty good. They wouldn't win the AL East, but by the AL Central's crappy standards, they will be tough, and I don't think we'll have a wild card in this division.

Whoever starts the 2013 thread, whether its me or someone else, probably should have a picture of the Detroit "D" in a gun cross-hair.
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