Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 22

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**DeezNutz** · 12-13-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The Hamilton deal made me think of something. When Trouts deal comes up, are they going to be able to resign him?

Maybe thats who Glass plans on putting in RF in a year or two?

2018 cannot get here soon enough!

**ChiTown** · 12-13-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

2018 cannot get here soon enough!

siberian khatru · 12-13-2012, 05:11 PM

Will the Tigers go after Dickey now?

Maybe the Royals should pre-emptively make another play for R.A.

siberian khatru · 12-13-2012, 05:12 PM

Somebody on Royalsboard floated an idea of Cain, Crow and Ventura to the Mets for Dickey.

SPchief · 12-13-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Somebody on Royalsboard floated an idea of Cain, Crow and Ventura to the Mets for Dickey.

So we would put out 2 below average players in CF and RF?

siberian khatru · 12-13-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

So we would put out 2 below average players in CF and RF?

That's the huge drawback -- Dyson in CF. With Lough (?) or Willy Taveras as the backup.

Unless Glass allows Dayton to sign Michael Bourn.

Cephalic Trauma · 12-13-2012, 05:25 PM

What if we put together a package for Dexter Fowler?

**Saul Good** · 12-13-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

2018 cannot get here soon enough!

Our time

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-13-2012, 06:00 PM

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale

The #Cubs, who thought they had a deal with Sanchez, are still waiting. The #Tigers are indeed being given last chance to match.

Look's like Bob jumped the gun.

SnakeXJones · 12-13-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale

The #Cubs, who thought they had a deal with Sanchez, are still waiting. The #Tigers are indeed being given last chance to match.

Look's like Bob jumped the gun.

Do you troll every royals forum or topics?

Prison Bitch · 12-13-2012, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Somebody on Royalsboard floated an idea of Cain, Crow and Ventura to the Mets for Dickey.

Wow that would be a terrible move for us. Cain is our starting CF and we have nothing backing him up. Dyson isn't very good. Crow is a key part of our pen which was our 1 big strength last year and he will give us 60-70 quality innings. Ventura is a definite major league talent (prob in the pen). He profiles very closely to Kelvin Herrera who was nails last year. This kinda move would severely weaken us overall.

siberian khatru · 12-13-2012, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Wow that would be a terrible move for us. Cain is our starting CF and we have nothing backing him up. Dyson isn't very good. Crow is a key part of our pen which was our 1 big strength last year and he will give us 60-70 quality innings. Ventura is a definite major league talent (prob in the pen). He profiles very closely to Kelvin Herrera who was nails last year. This kinda move would severely weaken us overall.

Losing Cain is the biggest hit, without a doubt.

I wouldn't hesitate to move a bullpen arm to shore up RF (or even 2B). Deal from strength to address a weakness. We have a deep pen, and at least theoretically, we now have a starting staff that can get to the 7th (sted of being yanked by the 6th).

Plus, if there's one thing Moore has demonstrated at the ML level, it's that he can build bullpens. He traded Ramirez and Nunez and was able to replace them. To that end, Juan Gutierrez is having a very good winter season in Venezuela.

Prison Bitch · 12-13-2012, 06:41 PM

Need to be careful with Herrera given his arm history. If we lost him, our pen looks thin. We don't have Broxton for four months this year either. Crow, Holland, Coleman, Collins - might not be all that solid. Hard to predict pens from one year to the next. Without Crow in there it's even weaker.

stonedstooge · 12-13-2012, 06:43 PM

Hopefully we won't need the pen as much this year. The bullpen boys did well last year, inspite of being out there for too many innings

**lewdog** · 12-13-2012, 08:28 PM

Ordering up some Royals shirts for my parents and girlfriend for the spring training games. Baseball can't get here soon enough!

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1909692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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