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Old 09-18-2012, 09:07 AM  
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Geno Smith fans roll call

NEW THREAD HEADER (11/17/12):

The list is gone. We will all be Geno Smith fans when he gets drafted by the Chiefs. For historical documentation's sake, I'll keep the list in a separate post on this thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3314

WHY GENO SMITH?
If you're wondering if Geno Smith is right for you, check out this brilliant post by Saccopoo:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5388

Next, we have a few GIFs you may be interested in from the Oklahoma game. Insane potential. These are the elite throws that very few QBs can make. What more can I say? Geno Smith can be a franchise QB in the NFL, and the Chiefs need to take a shot on him.

GIF #1:
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GIF #3 (My favorite):
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HOW DO WE GET HIM HERE?

Glad you asked. I posted this checklist earlier. It probably belongs in the thread header, and will be updated as the Chiefs close out their season and start a new chapter in their franchise story.

Preparing for Geno Smith's Arrival In KC Checklist

1. [X] Lose games and acquire the #1 overall pick
2. [X] Get Pioli and the Patriot Way cronies the **** out
3. [X] Hire new GM/coach

OPTIONAL (but highly recommended):
4. [ ] Re-sign/tag Bowe, who really wants to play in KC with Geno
5. [ ] Re-sign/tag Albert

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Old 12-30-2012, 01:38 AM   #7801
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Really?

Let's hear it.
-Holds onto the ball too long in the pocket looking for the right play.
-Always locks onto his 1st read. Goes through progressions like 25% of the time.
-Has trouble understanding how the defense is doing to counteract his offense and their blitz packages, especially good one's.
-Most of his passing yards are due to Bailey and Austin's YAC.
-Rarely looks off defenders and makes it easy for defenders to know where he is going a lot of the time.
-Gets too cocky and tries to force the ball into double teams too often.
-Hasn't shown the "it" factor.
-When a defense figures out his teams spread offense, he crumbles. Struggles to figure out what to do when he has to make adjustments.
-No elite leadership. Team doesn't follow his lead.

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And goddamn. This guy is supposed to be a prodigy right? He's supposed to have a "superb" football IQ? He took advanced classes in school so he gets things better than everybody?

Well, he says here that he studied Syracuse's defensive coverage all summer long. So not only has he been studying for this game forever, he's played that defense twice and has plenty of experience and yet he still can't figure out WTF he's doing when he's playing them.

http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/west-...pinstripe-bowl

His football IQ is drastically overrated by some on here.
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Old 12-30-2012, 01:58 AM   #7803
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Exhibit Q. The Pinstripe Bowl.

Exhibit J. Every game pretty much since the Texas game.

Exhibit 14. Doug Williams
vs Marshall 32/36 323 yards 88.9 cmp% 4TD 0INT 200.9 QBR
vs James Madison 34/39 411 yards 87.2 cmp% 5TD 0INT 218 QBR
vs Maryland 30/43 338 yards 69.8 cmp% 3TD 0INT 158.8 QBR
vs Baylor 45/51 656 yards 88.2 cmp% 8TD 0INT 248 QBR
at Texas 25/35 268 yards 71.4 cmp% 4TD 0INT 173.5 QBR
at Texas Tech 30/56 278 yards 53.6 cmp% 1TD 0INT 101.2 QBR
vs Kansas State 21/32 143 yards 65.6 cmp% 1TD 2INT 101 QBR
vs TCU 32/54 260 yards 59.3 cmp% 3TD 1INT 114 QBR
at Oklahoma State 36/54 364 yards 66.7 cmp% 2TD 0INT 135.5 QBR
vs Oklahoma 20/35 320 yards 57.1 cmp% 4TD 2INT 160.2 QBR
at Iowa State 22/31 236 yards 71 cmp% 2TD 0INT 156.2 QBR
vs Kansas 23/24 407 yards 95.8 cmp% 3TD 1INT 271.2 QBR
at Syracuse 16/24 197 yards 66.7 cmp% 2TD 0INT 163.1 QBR

Season 2012 350/490 4004 yards 71.4 cmp% 40TD 6INT 164.6
Season 2011 346/526 4385 yards 65.8 cmp% 31TD 7INT 152.6
Season 2010 241/372 2763 yards 64.8 cmp% 24TD 7INT 144.7

The Good:
- He's gotten consistently better every year he's been playing. More accurate, less mistakes and more consistent.
- He can make all the throws regardless of the weather.
- His offensive line was pretty bad today. Many of the times he didn't even get back in his drop before there was pressure right down on him.
- With no running game to speak of, he couldn't just hand it off to a big bruiser to get him the short yardage, he had to hope that Austin would get free or that he could make it work. WVU relies on passing 100%, always have under Holgerson and always will. They should've realized before halftime that the OLine was struggling they should've put in a TE to help block or a RB/FB to block more often. That'll get alot better in the NFL because he'll be able to fall back on our running game and packages that he just doesn't have in WVU.
- His scheme that his coaches gave him was a bigger problem than the weather.

The Bad:
- Pressure, he didn't handle it well. He blew up at the ref after the safety, his pocket presence was poor, and he didn't get rid of the ball when he needed to. He had the unfortunate truth that he knew people would be watching. It was the last game before the draft, last chance to prove his game readiness and leadership. He put the pressure on himself, as did the hype, and he didn't play a great game. So Kiper and McShay will say I told you so and he'll have to make big waves in the combine and senior bowl to get the attention back.

The bad thing is we have to take a chance on someone. Geno, Wilson, Bray, Barkley, whoever we take is a risk. The only thing we can do is hope that whichever risk we take will pan out. The bad news is we're the Chiefs, and QB's don't normally pan out. But before we get to April, lets just wait and hope that Monday brings us a clean slate.
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-Holds onto the ball too long in the pocket looking for the right play.
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Possesses a quick delivery, can get the ball downfield or move a team methodically by making quick decisions. Has improved his accuracy greatly during his career, placing the ball very well at every level of the field.- NFL.com
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-Always locks onto his 1st read. Goes through progressions like 25% of the time.
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Finds second or third options across the field if first read is covered. - NFL.com
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-Has trouble understanding how the defense is doing to counteract his offense and their blitz packages, especially good one's.
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He has earned a reputation as a very hard worker and true student of the game who puts in a ton of time in the film room. - Walter Football
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-Most of his passing yards are due to Bailey and Austin's YAC.
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Fires throws into tight windows over the middle while also leading receivers open on the sideline and showing touch on fades into the end zone.- NFL.com
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-Rarely looks off defenders and makes it easy for defenders to know where he is going a lot of the time.
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The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. - Walter Football
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-Hasn't shown the "it" factor.
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2) Poise: Great quarterbacks are unflappable in moments of stress, and Smith clearly handled himself well. He took a beating at the hands of the Longhorns' defensive line, but his game in the pocket never changed. Smith consistently delivered accurate throws to his intended receivers, despite having rushers in close proximity. He refused to wilt under the pressure of constant harassment, and his courage under fire helped West Virginia make several critical conversions with the game on the line. Smith tossed three lasers to Stedman Bailey on slants for scores, despite having defenders in his face each time he released the ball; on each toss, he stood in and took the shot while making an accurate throw. Most quarterbacks alter their release point or delivery with contact on the horizon, but Smith's ability to fire an accurate strike under duress was a testament to his courage and poise. - Bucky Brooks
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-When a defense figures out his teams spread offense, he crumbles. Struggles to figure out what to do when he has to make adjustments.
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Smith has also torched a bunch of really good defenses over his career. He threw for 463 yards and 2 TDs against the nation’s best defense (LSU) in 2011, for 407 yards and 6 TDs against Clemson in the Orange Bowl, and 320 yards and 4 TDs against Oklahoma back in November.
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1) Leadership: I have no concerns about Smith's leadership skills after what I saw Saturday. From the time the Mountaineers entered the field for pregame warmups until the conclusion of the game, Smith showed outstanding leadership qualities. He encouraged his teammates at every turn, refusing to hang his head when he turned the ball over on a pair of strip-sacks. Smith was obviously annoyed by the mistakes, but he didn't appear to wallow in self-pity, responding instead with improved play on the subsequent series. - Bucky Brooks
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Possesses a quick delivery, can get the ball downfield or move a team methodically by making quick decisions. Has improved his accuracy greatly during his career, placing the ball very well at every level of the field.- NFL.com
His delivery is quick most of the time because he is throwing quick outs and he has a quick release. When he has to find plays on his own, he stands in the pocket forever.

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Yeah he has done this. But not very often. He locks on his 1st read ALL THE TIME. Watch the OU game. Perfect proof of that.

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He has earned a reputation as a very hard worker and true student of the game who puts in a ton of time in the film room. - Walter Football
He may be a hard worker, but he must not be understanding it, especially yesterday. He studies hard all summer and has played a team twice, but then he still struggles against that same defense? Not buying his football IQ.

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Fires throws into tight windows over the middle while also leading receivers open on the sideline and showing touch on fades into the end zone.- NFL.com
Austin picked up 909 of his 1266 receiving yards after the catch (71.8% of his total receiving yards)

Bailey picked up 553 of his 1501 receiving yards after the catch (36.8% of his total receiving yards)

These two players account for 69.1% of Geno Smith's passing yards.

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The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. - Walter Football
Really? Is that why good defenses are getting the best of him? He should have had 4 INT's in the OU game, but the DB dropped easy INT's that hit their hands. Easy INT's in the NFL.

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2) Poise: Great quarterbacks are unflappable in moments of stress, and Smith clearly handled himself well. He took a beating at the hands of the Longhorns' defensive line, but his game in the pocket never changed. Smith consistently delivered accurate throws to his intended receivers, despite having rushers in close proximity. He refused to wilt under the pressure of constant harassment, and his courage under fire helped West Virginia make several critical conversions with the game on the line. Smith tossed three lasers to Stedman Bailey on slants for scores, despite having defenders in his face each time he released the ball; on each toss, he stood in and took the shot while making an accurate throw. Most quarterbacks alter their release point or delivery with contact on the horizon, but Smith's ability to fire an accurate strike under duress was a testament to his courage and poise. - Bucky Brooks
Alright, I'll let you have this one. The same Texas defense that Landry Jones owned is the one Geno owned.

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Most of Geno's stats against LSU were in the 2nd half against their prevent defense. OU should have had 4 INT's like I said.

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1) Leadership: I have no concerns about Smith's leadership skills after what I saw Saturday. From the time the Mountaineers entered the field for pregame warmups until the conclusion of the game, Smith showed outstanding leadership qualities. He encouraged his teammates at every turn, refusing to hang his head when he turned the ball over on a pair of strip-sacks. Smith was obviously annoyed by the mistakes, but he didn't appear to wallow in self-pity, responding instead with improved play on the subsequent series. - Bucky Brooks
Don't buy his leadership like everyone else. Not saying he's a horrible leader, but I think there are better leaders in this class than Geno.

Oh and Walter and Brooks info? Seriously?

I guess by this logic we shouldn't touch Geno with the number 1 pick because he's the 17th ranked player on Bucky's board as of 2 weeks ago.

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap10...otball#photo=9

Would look pretty stupid if we took the 17th ranked player at #1 overall, wouldn't ya say?
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Not at all. Your and idiot if you discount the value of a QB in the current league.
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Not at all. Your and idiot if you discount the value of a QB in the current league.
Because that worked out so well for other teams.

Wonder if the Jags would trade their suckass QB they picked out of need for another player? Perhaps the one taken after him...some guy named JJ Watt?

Think maybe the Vikes would trade suckass Ponder for another pick that year after their pick like idk, like any of the 5 players drafted directly after their QB?

I'm not saying Geno is the 17th best prospect, but if he is the 17th ranked prospect on our new GM's board then we better not be picking his ass out of need 1st overall in April.
Any QB would have to have some serious flaws to be ranked that low on the big board for the 1st overall pick.
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Because that worked out so well for other teams.

Wonder if the Jags would trade their suckass QB they picked out of need for another player? Perhaps the one taken after him...some guy named JJ Watt?

Think maybe the Vikes would trade suckass Ponder for another pick that year after their pick like idk, like any of the 5 players drafted directly after their QB?

I'm not saying Geno is the 17th best prospect, but if he is the 17th ranked prospect on our new GM's board then we better not be picking his ass out of need 1st overall in April.
Any QB would have to have some serious flaws to be ranked that low on the big board for the 1st overall pick.
Those guys may not have worked out, but I applaud those teams for taking the shot.

I'd rather swing and miss on a QB that be afraid to risk the chance.

You don't have a QB, you don't have a chance.

If the top rated QB is the 17th rated player, and you don't have a QB, you take that ****ing QB.
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Because that worked out so well for other teams.

Wonder if the Jags would trade their suckass QB they picked out of need for another player? Perhaps the one taken after him...some guy named JJ Watt?

Think maybe the Vikes would trade suckass Ponder for another pick that year after their pick like idk, like any of the 5 players drafted directly after their QB?

I'm not saying Geno is the 17th best prospect, but if he is the 17th ranked prospect on our new GM's board then we better not be picking his ass out of need 1st overall in April.
Any QB would have to have some serious flaws to be ranked that low on the big board for the 1st overall pick.
****! We just ran 300+ yards against the Colts and LOST! How could you not realize that we need a ****ing QB regardless of draft value? You gotta try or you won't succeed.

We severely reached on Tyson Jackson. I wonder what he was on Bucky's board when we took him 5th overall; but people still gave him 3 years before determining he was a POS. Oh no, but when a QB comes into discussion everyone shits themselves talking about the value of the ****ing pick.
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Too many people hate Geno Smith anyway. The trolls are amusing though.
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Would look pretty stupid if we took the 17th ranked player at #1 overall, wouldn't ya say?
Look, I know you like your boy Wilson, but you gotta stop this stuff. You don't look very good when you keep trying to make these points and contridict just about everyone out there. There is so much game tape on Geno for everyone to see that most people who know what they are looking at get it, they understand that he's a very, very good QB prospect.

I like Wilson. I think he's a gamer and a tough kid.

But to be objective about it, Geno is a better prospect.

And I'm going to tell you straight up, there isn't a better player in this class as a football player than Geno, especially when you factor in the importance of the position.

There is no Calvin Johnson. No Pat Willis. No Alex Mack. No Von Miller. I'm sorry, but there is not. Next year, South Carolina's Jadeveon Clowney will be that guy - and only him. He's an absolute prodigy as a 43 defensive end. But there isn't "that guy" in this draft.

IMO, Geno Smith is the best football player in this draft.
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