A mock draft that will make your heads explode

[the Talking Can]

spending the #1 pick in the draft on a non-pass rushing lb is so ****ing reeruned it offends the reeruned....

our QBs are Cassel and Quinn....

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

spending the #1 pick in the draft on a non-pass rushing lb is so ****ing reeruned it offends the reeruned....

our QBs are Cassel and Quinn....

Why? This isn't the same NFL where your first round pick gets a billion dollars, so salary is out of the question. We are in the AFC West where up until last year, the only passing QB worth legitimately building a defense to compete against was Phillip Rivers, completely laughable. Pass Rush isn't that big of a concern here in the west as it is in the AFC South as an example. Despite that, we have Hali and Houston already covered, and in our 3-4, anything else is just depth or rotation, which we could better utilize. I don't want us drafting a Left Tackle because I believe Albert is our guy and we need to give him a contract and plant him here for the foreseeable future. We need a QB but there isn't a "lights out, guaranteed to not **** this up" QB on the board, and since there isn't one, the likelihood that we draft a QB is up in the air.

Believe me, I want a QB as much as the next guy, but I'm playing devils advocate here for Te'o, and saying I'm not opposed to it.

People need to get their heads wrapped around the way personnel works now with the CBA. It is no longer a "waste" to draft an MLB/ILB in the top 5, top 10, or even the top pick. Especially if that guy has the potential to be at or near the top of his position for the next 5-8 years. By all means draft him.

We picked DJ with our 15th pick in '05, he's been an absolute beacon of hope for this defense since he got here. I am not opposed to spending our #1 draft pick we sucked so hard to get, on a guy who by all measures, could turn into a DJ clone. Why the hell wouldn't you take that?

Like I said, we have a long way to go with pro days, senior bowl, combine, etc. to figure this out, but why automatically rule out Te'o with the #1 pick, just because it isn't commonplace to draft an ILB/MLB there?

That is ignorant, lets see how the kid measures first and not automatically rule people out because of where we are picking. Aside from QB, ILB and CB are probably our biggest concerns for immediate need on this team.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Why? This isn't the same NFL where your first round pick gets a billion dollars, so salary is out of the question. We are in the AFC West where up until last year, the only passing QB worth legitimately building a defense to compete against was Phillip Rivers, completely laughable. Pass Rush isn't that big of a concern here in the west as it is in the AFC South as an example. Despite that, we have Hali and Houston already covered, and in our 3-4, anything else is just depth or rotation, which we could better utilize. I don't want us drafting a Left Tackle because I believe Albert is our guy and we need to give him a contract and plant him here for the foreseeable future. We need a QB but there isn't a "lights out, guaranteed to not **** this up" QB on the board, and since there isn't one, the likelihood that we draft a QB is up in the air.

Believe me, I want a QB as much as the next guy, but I'm playing devils advocate here for Te'o, and saying I'm not opposed to it.

People need to get their heads wrapped around the way personnel works now with the CBA. It is no longer a "waste" to draft an MLB/ILB in the top 5, top 10, or even the top pick. Especially if that guy has the potential to be at or near the top of his position for the next 5-8 years. By all means draft him.

We picked DJ with our 15th pick in '05, he's been an absolute beacon of hope for this defense since he got here. I am not opposed to spending our #1 draft pick we sucked so hard to get, on a guy who by all measures, could turn into a DJ clone. Why the hell wouldn't you take that?

Like I said, we have a long way to go with pro days, senior bowl, combine, etc. to figure this out, but why automatically rule out Te'o with the #1 pick, just because it isn't commonplace to draft an ILB/MLB there?

That is ignorant, lets see how the kid measures first and not automatically rule people out because of where we are picking. Aside from QB, ILB and CB are probably our biggest concerns for immediate need on this team.

it's absolutely a waste...and it is cowardly and dumb to boot

the economic argument you are making is better applied to the QB position...draft one, it costs basically nothing

LBs aren't important, QBs are....and we've waited 30 freaking years for one

nevermind that te'o isn't even close to being the best lb to come out in years...

Cassel and Quinn and you want a LB with the #1 pick in the draft

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Why? This isn't the same NFL where your first round pick gets a billion dollars, so salary is out of the question. We are in the AFC West where up until last year, the only passing QB worth legitimately building a defense to compete against was Phillip Rivers, completely laughable. Pass Rush isn't that big of a concern here in the west as it is in the AFC South as an example. Despite that, we have Hali and Houston already covered, and in our 3-4, anything else is just depth or rotation, which we could better utilize. I don't want us drafting a Left Tackle because I believe Albert is our guy and we need to give him a contract and plant him here for the foreseeable future. We need a QB but there isn't a "lights out, guaranteed to not **** this up" QB on the board, and since there isn't one, the likelihood that we draft a QB is up in the air.

Believe me, I want a QB as much as the next guy, but I'm playing devils advocate here for Te'o, and saying I'm not opposed to it.

People need to get their heads wrapped around the way personnel works now with the CBA. It is no longer a "waste" to draft an MLB/ILB in the top 5, top 10, or even the top pick. Especially if that guy has the potential to be at or near the top of his position for the next 5-8 years. By all means draft him.

We picked DJ with our 15th pick in '05, he's been an absolute beacon of hope for this defense since he got here. I am not opposed to spending our #1 draft pick we sucked so hard to get, on a guy who by all measures, could turn into a DJ clone. Why the hell wouldn't you take that?

Like I said, we have a long way to go with pro days, senior bowl, combine, etc. to figure this out, but why automatically rule out Te'o with the #1 pick, just because it isn't commonplace to draft an ILB/MLB there?

That is ignorant, lets see how the kid measures first and not automatically rule people out because of where we are picking. Aside from QB, ILB and CB are probably our biggest concerns for immediate need on this team.

Linebackers don't win games, QBs DO. How many games has Derrick Johnson won for us throughout his career? How many has ray Lewis won for Baltimore?

Linebackers stop the run.... And today is a passing league.

In todays NFL You get a QB and build the team around him.

[threebag]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Linebackers don't win games, QBs DO. How many games has Derrick Johnson won for us throughout his career? How many has ray Lewis won for Baltimore?

Linebackers stop the run.... And today is a passing league.

In todays NFL You get a QB and build the team around him.

To be fair I think our linebackers have won more games than our quarterbacks.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Name the five.



I know it's hard, but try to listen...he's a goddamn 34 Mike backer. The position itself isn't worth the pick. The position itself isn't worth any pick in the first round.



No, but you seem to be in terms of your argument. And Johnson plays a different position. If you've already got an All-Pro level guy at the WILL, pissing away a first rounder, let alone the overall #1 pick, is ignorant at best.

You are so locked on at getting a QB in this draft, it is ridiculous. You probably don't even know or care who else is in this draft outside of this position, ****, if Pioli was a QB you'd probably be all for drafting him just because we need a QB right? You don't care if he fits this offense, or the offense of our next HC/OC pairing. You don't care if he fits the play makers already in this offense, you just want to draft to spend our #1 pick on a QB so we finally do it right? I'm sure they could polish a ****ing turd and you'd still draft it. Point here is that I don't want to waste a #1 pick because we are thirsty. I want to invest that #1 pick on someone that will better this team and get us going forward as an improvement. If that is Geno, so be it. I'm all for it. If that is Te'O, great, all for it. If it happens to be a ****ing Center out of Southwest Missouri Eastern Middle State Tech, I don't care. I'm all for it. Just as long as we aren't making DESPERATE SELECTIONS

Speaking specifically for 1st round Seelections
2012: Andrew Luck, RG3
2011: Cam Newton
2010: Nobody
2009: Matt Stafford
2008: Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco

That's 6 in the last 5 years. I could go on.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I think you missed the point.

No, I made the point. If there isn't a certified, guaranteed lock for QB in this draft, we shouldn't be opposed as a whole, to taking someone else. If there happens to be a CB that climbs the draft, I wouldn't be opposed to that either, and that, in the current state of things, is an even bigger reach for us.

Point is, if Te'o ends up being the absolutely best football player in this draft, posts an amazing, unbelievable combine and pro day, and the QB class blows ass in the same events, I'm not going to ignorantly sit on the "Draft a QB first" bandwagon. There are going to be guys in the second round that can start for us, and I'll guarantee that right now.

Originally Posted by threebag02

To be fair I think our linebackers have won more games than out quarterbacks.

Sad Truth right there.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

You are so locked on at getting a QB in this draft, it is ridiculous. You probably don't even know or care who else is in this draft outside of this position

You're right, I don't. Because this team has NO ****ING QB!

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Now which position is more important?

I would imagine someone has a best punter and kicker too, should we draft them #1?

QB is the most important position on the field on either side of the ball, that is undeniable. You're trying really hard to put words in my mouth that won't fit there.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Kevin Minter or Alec Ogletree.



Geno Smith.

Uhhhh, Not sure who you read, but Te'o is the undisputed #1 ILB, and QB is Smith/Barkley, some other random guy who just jumped up the list as those two fell.

That's a hard sell there buddy, and you're trying hard to "prove" a point that isn't there.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

What in the world does that have to do with anything?!!!! Who is the clear cut best Punter? Just because somebody is the best at their position doesn't mean they should go before another person when there MIGHT be a debate on who is the best. This isn't about getting the best player in the draft. It's about getting the player that helps the Chiefs win a SB. You don''t turn your team around or win a SB because of your LB's. You CAN NOT win without a QB. Take a chance at the best one, simple as that. If you don't have a legit QB, you aren't a real team in the NFL.

You don't win a super bowl with a QB alone, that argument is so flawed and stupid. Yes, a solid QB is going to win you games, but without talent around him, and without a defense at least keeping the other team from scoring as much as you do, you aren't going to get anywhere.

If QB is the only position that matters, and no other positions matter, why the **** do CB's get paid so much? Why do WR's and RB's get paid so much?

Because we are forced to spend money with the new CBA? Because under your mindset, that is the only plausible reason.

Originally Posted by ChiefRocka

Matt Cassel is smart. Your post, not so much...

That was stupid.

Originally Posted by Molitoth

We have the second best running back in the nfl, and with a better CB and safety prolly a pretty good defense if the offense gets rolling. A big reason this defense sucked is because the offense has so many 3 and outs.

A big reason this defense sucked, is because our secondary got torched, we were alright against the run this year, but our pass defense was pretty bad. I mean Travis Daniels and Jalil Brown? Really? We weren't even getting beat by the opposing team's QB's, if we played Croyle each week, he'd probably have had 9-10 wins without blinking.

Letting Carr go for Routt, then cutting Routt and having no legitimate depth behind them was DUMB, but that is another argument for another thread.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

QB is the most important position on the field on either side of the ball, that is undeniable. You're trying really hard to put words in my mouth that won't fit there.

Not really...

You're trying to say that we should draft a ****ing ILB #1 because he's the "consensus" best ILB when there isn't a "consensus" best QB.

I haven't looked but I bet there are some other far less important positions with a consensus best player... We should draft them #1 overall.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by jd1020

You're right, I don't. Because this team has NO ****ING QB!

We don't have a corner aside from Flowers either....... that was honestly one of the biggest setbacks this year, aside from standard Cassel play.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Man your memory of what QB's were "locks" going into past drafts is pretty poor. Stop being so ****ing afraid of drafting a QB. You need to take a chance. You can't win without a QB. Go ahead and try to improve the team and ignore the QB position and enjoy not winning a SB. Do you watch the NFL?

I do watch the NFL, I was all for going after Peyton Manning and drafting a project QB last year, was all for Drafting Mallet the year before, and we didn't, was happy to draft Stanzi in the fifth, and this brings me to another point that is extremely important here.

You want me to believe that we should draft a QB with the #1 pick in the draft, when we didn't even give our #3 QB an active roster spot in the last game of the year against a team we knew we'd get tossed around by, in the chance that we'd be down by 14-21 points and give him a drive to see if he can actually play in a live game and apparently reverse the "picture" we have of him currently?

You expect me to buy into the draft a QB with the #1 pick mantra, when the history of this team, this fandom, is afraid of QB's and the "curse"?

Do you really blame me? I'm not afraid of taking a chance on a lock like Luck, but there is no lock in this draft as of this very moment.

That being said, I am STILL all for getting a QB in the draft, and especially if Geno/Wilson/Bray end up posting good Combines and Pro Days.

I'm just not going to blatantly ignore the fact that we have two very big glaring holes on the defensive side of our game either.

[seamonster]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Linebackers don't win games, QBs DO. How many games has Derrick Johnson won for us throughout his career? How many has ray Lewis won for Baltimore?

Linebackers stop the run.... And today is a passing league.

In todays NFL You get a QB and build the team around him.

Redskins, seahawks, 49ers, and the vikings are all in the playoffs because of running the football. The threat of a run combined with world class speed at the receiver is what's whoring teams out in the league right now.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by seamonster

Redskins, seahawks, 49ers, and the vikings are all in the playoffs because of running the football. The threat of a run combined with world class speed at the receiver is what's whoring teams out in the league right now.

Are any of them going to make it to the Super Bowl? Not likely.

Stop panning for fools gold.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Are any of them going to make it to the Super Bowl? Not likely.

Stop panning for fools gold.

Exactly. Winning the Super Bowl without a great QB is harder now than it has been in my lifetime (which is actually only 30 years.

The only way one of those teams wins the Super Bowl this year is IF their young QB (RG3, Kaerpernick, Wilson) plays at an elite level. Those guys are all young, dynamic athletes, so it's possible (especially down the road).

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

We need a QB but there isn't a "lights out, guaranteed to not **** this up" QB on the board, and since there isn't one, the likelihood that we draft a QB is up in the air.

And do you know how many of those there have been in the past 30 years?

Two.

John Elway and Andrew Luck.

That's it.

So you are willing to wait around another 30 years and hope we have the first pick in the draft when they come around?

(And if you don't remember, there were a couple of guys taken after Elway who ended up in the Hall of Fame that weren't "lights out, guaranteed not to **** this up" type of players. In fact, that's why they were drafted behind a guy named Todd Blackledge.)

We picked DJ with our 15th pick in '05, he's been an absolute beacon of hope for this defense since he got here. I am not opposed to spending our #1 draft pick we sucked so hard to get, on a guy who by all measures, could turn into a DJ clone. Why the hell wouldn't you take that?

You obviously don't remember the Derrick Johnson who played for the Chiefs under Herm Edwards. The guy was basically a lazy, out of shape first round bust and was actually benched by Haley for sucking so bad.

And, don't take this personally, but Te'o is a ****ING MIDDLE LINEBACKER WITHOUT ELITE INTANGIBLES. No one takes a middle linebacker first overall, especially when you've got the shit stain at the QB position that the Chiefs have. Why? Because they are ****ing middle linebackers! They plug the run, especially in a 34. You get great guys for that in the sixth ****ing round. Not at the #1 overall pick. It's a shit position in terms of positional value - it's not the WILL backer that is asked to do a lot more in terms of coverage and reads and the like such as Derrick Johnson or Pat Willis. It's a ****ing run plugger. And you are okay with spending the first overall pick on that?

**** me.