A mock draft that will make your heads explode

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by SNR

Wanna bet?

Smith and Wilson will be gone within the top 10. Barkley will be gone in the first round. Glennon MIGHT be gone as well, depending on what Aaron Murray is doing.

We're going to have to pick from Tyler Bray and Ryan Nassib in the 2nd round, both players who need time on the bench with the coaches before they get thrown onto the field.

They're garbage compared to Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson. Both of those guys have elite QB talent that you don't find in every draft. It's idiocy to pass that up all in the name of draft value.

All you're doing right now is ensuring me that the QBs will be there in the 2nd round. I think you're a ****ing lunatic. There's no way a Day 1 starting QB will be there in the 2nd round for us. At least 3 will be taken in the 1st. Likely 4, and possibly 5.

Those are NOT good odds for our guy that we draft. All so we could take ****ing TEO?

And who exactly is going to be taking all of these QB's in the first round? I'm curious.

And also, until we see a Combine and a few pro days, we cannot assume any player has truly separated themselves from the rest, when the talking heads themselves are picking a new QB every week for the #1 QB taken.

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Or:
1. Geno Smith
2. Xavier Rhodes
3a. Margus Hunt
3b. Jonathan Franklin
4. Baccari Rambo
5. AJ Klein
6. Marcus Lattimore
7. Ray Ray Armstrong

Ewwww, and then lol @ Lattimore.

Originally Posted by SNR

Drafting a LB to improve the tackling is like drafting a WR to improve the drop percentage.

What you want is a LB who will always be in a position to make the play. That's what Patrick Willis does very well. The opposite is a guy who is incapable of getting into a good position, but always wraps up when he does. Like Mike Maslowski.

Te'o is something in between. But he sure as **** ain't Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis, and that's not going to help us out one bit.

Geno Smith, however, WILL help us out if he even plays decent. He'll help us out A LOT.

I think you're underselling Te'o stil, but it doesn't bother me. I do agree that Geno will help a lot, but how much more will Geno help over, say, Wilson or Bray? So far from what everyone has seen, that gets paid for their input, not much if any. So why not go ahead and take that guy who is head and shoulders above the rest, Te'O and then get your equal value QB in the 2nd?

Don't just argue that I'm wrong, jump inside of my hypothesis and justify your decision, or simply say "In your hypothesis you are correct, we should do that". I'm tired of having to argue adjusted variables in your guys' arguments here. My argument is simply if everything is set in stone as it sits and there is ZERO separation at QB and we are GUARANTEED to get the same talent in round 2 as round 1, would you really draft a QB? That's all I'm asking here. Simple Yes or No would suffice. "Yes" for "I'm an idiot" "No" for "I have a brain and use it at least thrice a day".

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

After saying the NFL isn't that much different and also being willing to take Teo over Geno/Wilson, yeah I do think you don't understand. Congrats on playing football though. Certainly hasn't helped you understand how important an NFL QB is.

All along? Did I say that? Talking about right now. Your listing of Barkley over Wilson shows you are stuck on pre-season thoughts. Watch some Barkley. I have never listed other mocks as my source so not sure how what they say contradicts anything.

So again, you haven't comprehended anything I've written and you're just crying in your coacoa puffs because I'm not on your "Draft Geno" bandwagon? Build a bridge cry baby. I'm not sold on Geno, but I am sold on Te'o, and until Geno proves otherwise, I will not be sold on Geno or any other QB so far. Does that mean I am saying we shouldn't draft a QB? NO, you're dumb. I'm just saying we should get one in the second round if one does not emerge as an Elite QB.

As for QBs, I have Wilson above Barkley, but that doesn't mean Wilson will get drafted first.

Contrary to popular belief Mr. Herptyderp, teams don't normally draft players based on their ranking.

HUGE ****ING SHOCK

MIND BLOWN

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

As for QBs, I have Wilson above Barkley, but that doesn't mean Wilson will get drafted first.

We understand you perfectly. My issue isn't just where you think Wilson will get drafted, its also that you have him listed over Barkley in your actual rankings.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

We understand you perfectly. My issue isn't just where you think Wilson will get drafted, its also that you have him listed over Barkley in your actual rankings.

Right?

Because I believe in logic and practical analysis, and don't believe that at eam will draft a guy solely because Kiper ranks him higher.

So while I do have Wilson very high on my list, I don't think the draft will follow that suit because what works for one team, will not always work for another.

You'll also remember that there seems to be USC QB love in the NFL, often making guys go much earlier than they should have in the draft, Barkley is definitely going to benefit from that IMO, but I do not think more than 3 QBs are taken in the draft, thus why I accepted that bet earlier for the sig.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Right?

Because I believe in logic and practical analysis, and don't believe that at eam will draft a guy solely because Kiper ranks him higher.

So while I do have Wilson very high on my list, I don't think the draft will follow that suit because what works for one team, will not always work for another.

You'll also remember that there seems to be USC QB love in the NFL, often making guys go much earlier than they should have in the draft, Barkley is definitely going to benefit from that IMO, but I do not think more than 3 QBs are taken in the draft, thus why I accepted that bet earlier for the sig.

It's funny how highly you think of yourself. You can keep screaming about logic all you want. I'm assuming when you say that no more than 3 QBs are going in the draft, that you mean the 1st round.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

At some point you said you needed to look at more tape on a few guys. Kinda sounds like somebody not doing as much research as NightFyre. Or maybe we all misunderstood you yet again. It's all the sarcasm and lack of reading comprehension. Yeah, everyone is making the exact same mistakes. Probably not just you.

So you're under the assumption that because I say I need to see more game tape, that automatically means NightFyre has seen more than I? Because I openly admit to the fact that I haven't seen every single snap this season? Jesus Christ, really? You act like I've never seen Geno take a snap, even though I've already mentioned I've seen him play quite a few games this season. Hmmmm. Total logic on your part. Certainly seems to me like you're trying to take my modest comment about needing to see more game tape, as an angle to assert the idea that both you and NightFyre are somehow better at talent evaluation than I because you ASSUME you've seen more game tape, or that seeing the most Game Tape means you have a better evaluation than anyone else. I wonder how the world of Scouting works if that is to be the case.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

2012 Tackle Leaders:

1. Luke Kuechly: 1st round
2. NaVorro Bowman: 3rd round
3. Chad Greenway: 1st round
4. Jerod Mayo: 1st round
5. Jerrell Freeman: Undrafted free agent
6. James Laurinaitis: 2nd round
7. Bobby Wagner: 2nd round
8. Lavonte David: 2nd round
9. London Fletcher: Undrafted free agent
10. Paul Posluszny: 2nd round
11. Karlos Dansby: 2nd round
12. Daryl Washington: 2nd round
13. Russell Allen: Undrafted free agent
14. Perry Riley: 4th round
15. Vontaze Burfict: Undrafted free agent
16. Derrick Johnson: 1st round
17. Morgan Burnett: 3rd round
18. David Harris: 2nd round
19. Curtis Lofton: 2nd round
20. Rey Maualuga: 2nd round

So you're saying the majority of the Tackles being made in the NFL, are by 1st and 2nd round talents?

Where did the 5-7th round guys go? :/

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

I think you're underselling Te'o stil, but it doesn't bother me. I do agree that Geno will help a lot, but how much more will Geno help over, say, Wilson or Bray? So far from what everyone has seen, that gets paid for their input, not much if any. So why not go ahead and take that guy who is head and shoulders above the rest, Te'O and then get your equal value QB in the 2nd?

That's your entire ****ing problem. It's based on the assumption that Te'o is "head and shoulders above the rest"

That's wrong. The foundation of your argument is based on a faulty premise. I've been trying to tell you that all ****ing night.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by SNR

That's your entire ****ing problem. It's based on the assumption that Te'o is "head and shoulders above the rest"

That's wrong. The foundation of your argument is based on a faulty premise. I've been trying to tell you that all ****ing night.

He thinks we don't understand his argument. That if all the QBs are equal then take the BPA, which is Teo. He keeps missing that we understand his argument but think he is completely wrong that the QBs are equal and that Teo is not the BPA. He then wanted us all to just invite ourselves into his hypothetical for a moment. When we didn't, we were idiots who don't think as logically as he does. He doesn't seem to understand that we don't give a **** about his hypothetical. We are talking about what actually is, and that involves Teo not being BPA and Bray/Glennon/Barkley not being equal to Geno or Wilson.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by SNR

That's your entire ****ing problem. It's based on the assumption that Te'o is "head and shoulders above the rest"

That's wrong. The foundation of your argument is based on a faulty premise. I've been trying to tell you that all ****ing night.

I agree with SNR here. Te'o isn't even as good as Luke Keuchly was last year.

I don't see a big difference between Te'o and Ogletree/Skov/Minter.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

That's your entire ****ing problem. It's based on the assumption that Te'o is "head and shoulders above the rest"

That's wrong. The foundation of your argument is based on a faulty premise. I've been trying to tell you that all ****ing night.

The problem is, he doesn't have a grasp of positional value.

I don't give a rat's **** if Te'o is the petri dish love child of Dick Butkus, Pat Willis, Jack Lambert, Mike Singletary, Brian Urlacher and Ray Lewis. (And he's not close to these guys and we know it, it's just that this functionally reeruned dipshit doesn't know it. He probably paid for the ESPN Insider and feels the need to validate his purchase by parroting Kiper.)

He's still a Mike in a 34. The ****ing punter has more positional value. The right offensive guard has more positional value.

And this dumb **** just doesn't get it. At all.

Either that or he's the archangel of all internet trolls.

I'm going with the former. There's no way possible a troll would put forth so much effort in such inane and excessive forum loquaciousness. The guy is just one amazingly stubborn dipshit.