Pre-Combine QB Poll V1.0

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Possibly.

I think that when you compare them all on tape, Bray has the much better arm + strength of schedule throughout his career. He also has a poor release point, throwing motion, is inconsistent, and also has character issues stemming from throwing beer bottles.

Glennon has a solid arm but is shaky. Worse than Flacco coming from Delaware. Poor decision making, tends to check down on plays that don't warrant it, and consistently struggles on making throws outside the hash (deep outs, corners). I'd love to take him if my entire team was ready to compete and we were drafting at #25 or he could sit for 2+ years.

I think that Nassib's ability to move within the pocket along with his release is significantly better than both.

I think that the QBs will go Geno, Wilson, Barkley, Nassib, Glennon although any variation of the last 3 wouldn't shock me. Bray can sneak in there but he'd have to wow in interviews and throw well ( motion-wise) at his pro-day/combine.

So you and I basically have the same rankings, except I have Glennn ahead of Nassib, and Bray ahead of both. I completely agree with your breakdown that you just wrote, but I'd really emphasize for bray his decision making issues that have been fairly prevalent. More often than not I've seen him try to force the deep ball because of his arm, rather than check it down, and often times throw into double coverage expecting his receiver to go up and get it. I just don't think his receivers are talented enough to really hide that shortcoming.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

So you and I basically have the same rankings, except I have Glennn ahead of Nassib, and Bray ahead of both. I completely agree with your breakdown that you just wrote, but I'd really emphasize for bray his decision making issues that have been fairly prevalent. More often than not I've seen him try to force the deep ball because of his arm, rather than check it down, and often times throw into double coverage expecting his receiver to go up and get it. I just don't think his receivers are talented enough to really hide that shortcoming.

Bray has had excellent talent at WR the past 2 years and arguably solid line/RB play.

I'd encourage you to watch more of Nassib.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Bray has had excellent talent at WR the past 2 years and arguably solid line/RB play.

I'd encourage you to watch more of Nassib.

He has had excellent WR play, but what I was getting at is I don't think his WRs are talented enough to bail him out of some of these throws that really make me question his decision making. If he had a once in a decade guy like Calvin, we'd probably be overlooking it.

I'll definitely watch more of Nassib over the next few days. I've been eating my weight in Geno film lately since the mock draft thread. I like what I see from a potential WCO perspective if Reid lands here, but I hate the McNabb comparisons for better and worse.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

He has had excellent WR play, but what I was getting at is I don't think his WRs are talented enough to bail him out of some of these throws that really make me question his decision making. If he had a once in a decade guy like Calvin, we'd probably be overlooking it.

I'll definitely watch more of Nassib over the next few days. I've been eating my weight in Geno film lately since the mock draft thread. I like what I see from a potential WCO perspective if Reid lands here, but I hate the McNabb comparisons for better and worse.

I really think Geno would be best in a Coryell base that utilizes PA down the field, double moves and a zone run scheme that incorportates PA off of the stretch play, as he has enough speed to get to the 7 (which isn't a huge deal but it helps) and then effectively run PA off it.

Ideally, I think Kelly + Norv would be a great fit for him. The intriguing thing about Reid is his tendency to use PA and stretch/inside zone plays when he has a rookie or backup QB.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Possibly. I'd rather go with Geno, Wilson as the #1 overall.

Indeed, call me crazy but I think Wilson is the safest pick between those two.

Originally Posted by Sorter

I really think Geno would be best in a Coryell base that utilizes PA down the field, double moves and a zone run scheme that incorportates PA off of the stretch play, as he has enough speed to get to the 7 (which isn't a huge deal but it helps) and then effectively run PA off it.

Ideally, I think Kelly + Norv would be a great fit for him. The intriguing thing about Reid is his tendency to use PA and stretch/inside zone plays when he has a rookie or backup QB.

Ehhh, I like the screen game Reid runs better than Norv, at least for the toolset we have here in KC if Geno were to come to town. I think between Charles and McCluster you'll have the finesse you need out of the back field to really open up a lot of designed stretch plays and screen plays that will allow us to toss some naked PA boots in there where I think Geno could tear it up in man coverage assuming Bowe stays here.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Indeed, call me crazy but I think Wilson is the safest pick between those two.


Ehhh, I like the screen game Reid runs better than Norv, at least for the toolset we have here in KC if Geno were to come to town. I think between Charles and McCluster you'll have the finesse you need out of the back field to really open up a lot of designed stretch plays and screen plays that will allow us to toss some naked PA boots in there where I think Geno could tear it up in man coverage assuming Bowe stays here.

I don't think Wilson is safer given his lack of mobility within the pocket and concussion issues, as well as others I've previously stated. This is coming from a guy pimping Wilson all of last year.

I think that both Andy and Norv's screen games would work great. You must not remember how Norv utilized LT in the screen game and as a chip+release option.

The thing that concerns me about Andy is whether he'll allow someone to operate a 1-gap 3-4 front. Based on his previous desire/usage of a fire-zone philosophy, I'd be inclined to think he'd be okay with our 3-4 front provided it used a fire-zone based philosophy.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I don't think Wilson is safer given his lack of mobility within the pocket and concussion issues, as well as others I've previously stated. This is coming from a guy pimping Wilson all of last year.

I think that both Andy and Norv's screen games would work great. You must not remember how Norv utilized LT in the screen game and as a chip+release option.

The thing that concerns me about Andy is whether he'll allow someone to operate a 1-gap 3-4 front. Based on his previous desire/usage of a fire-zone philosophy, I'd be inclined to think he'd be okay with our 3-4 front provided it used a fire-zone based philosophy.

I do remember how Norv utilized LT, I also remember how Andy utilized McCoy and Westbrook. I prefer Reid's way

And I'm calling Wilson the safer pick because I have questions on Geno's overall arm strength, and well as his progression. That Texas game showed him being really slow through his progression and holding on to the ball too long and taking a sack. I feel Wilson is faster in that regard.