Do you get a flu shot?

[Bump]

Seems like this flu season is pretty bad so far. Especially here in Boston. All I see on the news is how everyone should get a flu shot.

I have never had a flu shot, there's all sorts of chemical shit that I don't want in my body, the thimerosal (mercury), aluminum and other shit. I don't trust it for a second.

I've never had a flu shot and I haven't had the flu since....I can't even remember when.

I know I know, I'm a batshit crazy dumbass for not trusting it, after all the government tells us we should take it!!

[Floridafan]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

Conspiracy logic at its best. What's the excuse for the smallpox eradication, then? ASTHMA NUMBERS HAVE SKYROCKETED IN RECENT YEARS, COINCIDENCE?

First I would like to say that I do not post to cause an argument, but to cause people to think outside the box as it were and make intelligent decisions with something as important as ones health. I have made my choices in my life and have been very fortunate. I raised four children who have never been sick. They are 37, 34, 29 and 27 and never been sick, ever. They have never had a shot of any kind in their lives. Their bodies know what to do because they have been raised naturally with a strong belief that the body knows what to do considering they started out as two half dead germ cells, the sperm and the ovum. I believe our Creator does not make junk and the human body needs no help, just no interference. I am by no means telling you what to do, just sharing my experience. You must ask yourself how is what you've been doing working for you? If you or your family is sick a lot maybe it's time for a change? Now to your comments:

Ever consider all the crap that's in the shots and foods that kids years ago didn't get? Consider that maybe, just maybe they have poisoned children and therefore all these new conditions? (Because of weakened immune systems)

Years ago there was not the peanut allergy where a small ingestion of anything with peanuts can cause a child's death. Asthma through the roof. Autism rates are rising at an alarming rate. Used to be one in ten thousand and now one in eighty nine? What changed? Did our bodies forget how to make healthy children? Or could it be we are being poisoned all in the name of science?

As far as smallpox I will paste this article from those much more enlightened on that specific disease than me.

WHO SMALLPOX ERADICATION SUCCESS RECONSIDERED--Raymond Obosawin MD

Although smallpox is apparently now accorded to the history books, it will be necessary to re-examine the issue of this disease having been universally eradicated, with particular reference to the WHO eradication campaign. An honest look at this question is of considerable importance, as the current worldwide UCI-EPI program gains much of its legitimacy and inspiration from this widely acclaimed success story.

A strong challenge to this now popular view, is reflected in the post-campaign findings of medical researchers like Buttram and Hoffman:

Most people probably credit the smallpox vaccine with playing the major role in recent eradication of smallpox throughout the world, but let us examine the facts. In the article 'Vaccines a Future in Question,' statistics showed that less than 10 percent of children in developing countries have received vaccines.



They went on to comment that with this level of coverage, the WHO campaign was not a real factor in the eradication. Data obtained in their broad based research also led them to conclude that "mass smallpox vaccination was not necessary for the eradication of smallpox.110

In further examining this question from a longer historical perspective, it became readily apparent that the WHO claim did not at all square with the earlier data, i.e., historical smallpox eradication efforts. If we go back as far as the last century, we discover that Creighton's independent research findings as published in the Ninth Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, strongly contradict the effectiveness of mass smallpox immunization programs. A few revealing excerpts follow:

. . . in Bavaria in 1871 of 30,742 cases 29,429 were in vaccinated persons, or 95.7 percent.
Notwithstanding the fact that Prussia was the best re-vaccinated country in Europe, its mortality from smallpox in the epidemic of 1871 was higher (69,839) than any other Northern state.
According to a competent statistician (A. Vogt), the death-rate from smallpox in the German army, in which all recruits are re-vaccinated, was 60 percent more than among the civil population of the same age . . . although re-vaccination is not obligatory among the latter.
It is often alleged that the unvaccinated are so much inflammable material in the midst of the community, and that smallpox begins among them and gathers force so that it sweeps even the vaccinated before it. Inquiry into the facts has shown that at Cologne in 1870 the first unvaccinated person attacked by smallpox was the 174th in order of time, at Bonn the same year the 42d, and at Liegnitz in 1871 the 225th.111


As we move on into the earlier part of this century we find the same dismal picture of increased susceptibility correlated with increased vaccination coverage. Dettman and Kalokerinos describe a visit they paid to the Philippines about 15 years ago:

. . . We were fortunate enough to address their own medical (and) health officials where we reminded them of the incidence of smallpox in formerly "immunized" Filipinos. We invited them to consult their own medical records and asked them to correct us if our own facts and figures disagreed. No such correction has been forthcoming, and we can only conclude that between 1918-1919 there were 112,549 cases of smallpox notified, with 60,855 deaths. Systematic (mass) vaccination started in 1905, and since its introduction case mortality increased alarmingly. Their own records comment that "The mortality is hardly explainable." 112



Speaking at a 1973 environmental conference in Brussels, Professor George Dick admitted that in recent decades, 75 percent of those that have contracted smallpox in Britain, have had prior a history of vaccination. In that "only 40%" of children were vaccinated (and at most 10 percent of adults), such figures clearly indicate that the vaccinated--as in the much earlier historical record--continue to show a higher tendency to contract the disease. Dick also admitted that smallpox had been eradicated in certain tropical countries without mass vaccination.113 (Table VIII reveals that in the 16 year period preceding the year the WHO eradication campaign was launched--38 additional countries had ceased to report any smallpox cases.)114

A. Hutchison writing in the Journal of the Royal Society in 1974, referred to the smallpox vaccines "lack of potency" and the inadequacies of other measures for containment, in his words, "I have given details of the various outbreaks of smallpox in Britain and where they were diagnosed. These clearly indicate that the (preventive) measures are most ineffective.115

An article in the New Scientist indicates that "The smallpox family of viruses is genetically unstable," and that new viral strains which threaten the "WHO smallpox eradication programme, could emerge anywhere.116 It is thus of interest that in a 1980 article in the Australasian Nurses Journal, Dettman and Kalokerinos pointed out that electron-microscopy cannot distinguish between the various "poxviruses.117 (According to D, de Saving of IDRC, as of 1990 DNA sequencing can make the distinquishingment. What is not known though, is whether this has any beating on the reporting of the various "pox" diseases worldwide.) This fact led them to raise a vitally significant question "as to whether smallpox may be declared conquered, (it's estimated that only 10 percent of the world population actually received the vaccine) with the possibility of it masquerading under the guise of a similar pox." Their line of evidence and reasoning is summarily stated:

. . . we claim that if the evidence is honestly evaluated that smallpox has actually been prolonged and that the so called protective vaccinations actually put the recipient at risk from . . . the disease itself. Authorities now realize this and the 'top world' countries are making vociferous protests about third world countries continuing use of smallpox vaccination because (a) suddenly it has become recognized that it is an extremely dangerous procedure, (To give some idea of the vaccine's dangers, it was reported--in the late sixties--that annually, roughly 3,000 children were experiencing varying degrees of brain damage due to the smallpox vaccine; and according to G. Kiftel in 1967, smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children in West Germany, of which 71 became totally deaf.117) and (b) it has now been conquered. The ultimate in ingenuity. . . .118



In turning to recognized textbooks on human virology and vertebrate viruses we find that attention has been given since 1970 to a disease called "monkeypox," which is said to be "clinically indistinguishable from smallpox." Cases of this disease have been found in Zaire, Cameroon, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Liberia, and Sierra Leone (by May 1983, 101 cases have been reported). It is observed that " . . . the existence of a virus that can cause clinical smallpox is disturbing, and the situation is being closely monitored."119 (For a highly detailed account of the history of this disease and efforts to eradicate it, which further corroborates these observations, see, Razzell P., The Conquest of Smallpox, Caliban Books, United Kingdom, 1977.)

[Brock]

How come people will use CDC statistics about autism, but won't believe the CDC when they say vaccinating doesn't cause autism?

[loochy]

All of this vaccination and the Chiefs STILL don't have a decent QB? Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Brock

How come people will use CDC statistics about autism, but won't believe the CDC when they say vaccinating doesn't cause autism?

ITS ONLY FALSE WHEN ITS NOT A PART OF MY AGENDA

[Rausch]

NO.

I was deadly sick at 22. High fever, hallucinations, mucous flowing from every hole in my face.

Since then I've had nothing. I'm 37 ( **** you!) now and despite bad knees and shoulders I've been fine for years...

[Floridafan]

Originally Posted by loochy

ITS ONLY FALSE WHEN ITS NOT A PART OF MY AGENDA

I sir have no agenda and do you honestly believe that the CDC does not have an agenda? I can share with you articles from peer reviewed refereed journals that show that many, not all, researchers give the answers that they are being paid to give. I have two such articles from Harvard researchers no less. All I am saying is don't take the governments word for it. They have an agenda and your health is not their priority.

By the way if you think I have an agenda, what do you think it is? I am retired in Florida after 37 years in healthcare. More than likely I will never meet anyone on this board, so what could my agenda be? Maybe I just have a lot of experience in this area and wish to share it to get people to think on their own and not like a robot and accept the line being put forth by Big Pharma.

Blessings and good health to you all.

[bevischief]

You don't want to start on this subject...

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Floridafan

I sir have no agenda and do you honestly believe that the CDC does not have an agenda? I can share with you articles from peer reviewed refereed journals that show that many, not all, researchers give the answers that they are being paid to give. I have two such articles from Harvard researchers no less. All I am saying is don't take the governments word for it. They have an agenda and your health is not their priority.

Oh, I know that our health is not their priority. However, Brock's point was kind of funny...

[Easy 6]

No thanks, dont want it, dont need it.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

JFC.

The "Flu Shot" doesn't protect you from getting "the flu". It protects you against one deadly strain of influenza. That's it. ONE STRAIN.

This is not true.

The flu shot this year is for three strains, which is typical. H1N1, H3N2 (the stuff that's running rampant and particularly nasty) and another Type B influenza.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by seaofred

Never get it and never will. Horrible chemicals in it and the flu stran in it isn't typically the stran for that year. So basically it's worthless.

How come most doctors recommend that you get a flu shot then?

I have never had one until this year. My employer paid for all of them to get them for free so I got one this year. I haven't got the flu since I was a little kid though so not sure how much it makes a difference for me.

[Floridafan]

Originally Posted by Brock

How come people will use CDC statistics about autism, but won't believe the CDC when they say vaccinating doesn't cause autism?

I only have a few questions for you. Have you ever asked your doctor for the box the vaccine came in and read the ingredients? I had a couple of patients who swore they were not getting heavy metals in their shots ask the doctor for the box and believe it or not one was given the actual box and the other a copy of the ingredients. Both patients and doctors were shocked to see heavy metals in the shots.

Second, why did they make manufactures stop selling aluminum cookware? they discovered that it was causing severe brain damage after years of use. Any heavy metal will. So they tell you not to ingest mercury or aluminum in fish, which passes through your digestive track with all the gastric acid etc, but think it is safe to inject directly into a very young child's blood stream? Which by the way bypasses all the child's natural immunity barriers. Come on that's just common sense isn't it?

One more thing why is it that children who have never been vaccinated have no autism, like mine and the Amish, and those children who are seem to develop it very soon after being vaccinated?

I am not looking to argue with you only asking you to think. Do you trust Big Pharma? Vioxx was blamed for almost 27,000 deaths by sudden cardiac arrest. You think that didn't come up in the trials? of course it did but they hide those lies to get stuff on the market. I will try and find the video from 60 minutes with Mike Wallace where he asked the head of the American Pharmaceutical industry why they gave kids in this country the more dangerous form of a specific vaccine and not use the one they use in Britain and his answer was "that it is much cheaper to pay the millions in lawsuits than to retool the factories. When Mike Wallace almost lost his mind saying "but these are our children" the guy answered, "no, it's business". I will attempt to find it and post it if I can find it.

God Bless you and best of health to you all.

http://www.naturalnews.com/036417_Gl...rck_fraud.html check out this example

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Stewie

This is not true.

The flu shot this year is for three strains, which is typical. H1N1, H3N2 (the stuff that's running rampant and particularly nasty) and another Type B influenza.

And they don't mutate.

It's guaranteed...

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Floridafan

I only have a few questions for you. Have you ever asked your doctor for the box the vaccine came in and read the ingredients? I had a couple of patients who swore they were not getting heavy metals in their shots ask the doctor for the box and believe it or not one was given the actual box and the other a copy of the ingredients. Both patients and doctors were shocked to see heavy metals in the shots.

Second, why did they make manufactures stop selling aluminum cookware? they discovered that it was causing severe brain damage after years of use. Any heavy metal will. So they tell you not to ingest mercury or aluminum in fish, which passes through your digestive track with all the gastric acid etc, but think it is safe to inject directly into a very young child's blood stream? Which by the way bypasses all the child's natural immunity barriers. Come on that's just common sense isn't it?

I've never asked my doctor to see the box my vaccination came in. I don't worry about tiny amounts of heavy metals that may or may not be contained in it.

Manufacturers didn't stop selling aluminum cookware, so your entire second paragraph is based in fallacy.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Floridafan

I only have a few questions for you. Have you ever asked your doctor for the box the vaccine came in and read the ingredients? I had a couple of patients who swore they were not getting heavy metals in their shots ask the doctor for the box and believe it or not one was given the actual box and the other a copy of the ingredients. Both patients and doctors were shocked to see heavy metals in the shots.

Second, why did they make manufactures stop selling aluminum cookware? they discovered that it was causing severe brain damage after years of use. Any heavy metal will. So they tell you not to ingest mercury or aluminum in fish, which passes through your digestive track with all the gastric acid etc, but think it is safe to inject directly into a very young child's blood stream? Which by the way bypasses all the child's natural immunity barriers. Come on that's just common sense isn't it?

One more thing why is it that children who have never been vaccinated have no autism, like mine and the Amish, and those children who are seem to develop it very soon after being vaccinated?

So these "powers" decide that you can't cook with aluminum because it's bad for you, but they put heavy metals in vaccines because it's bad for you?

WTF? They could just let us cook with aluminum and they could put less effort into poisoning the vaccines.