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Old 01-29-2013, 05:58 AM  
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Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6212845

Pretty good stuff in here guys. Sorry if Q.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:59 AM   #31
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He did mention Wilson arm strength a couple times. I know a couple people like to question it but that was probably the first positive attribute out of his mouth. Well that and toughness. Flat out said he would love to have Wilson on his team. Completely bias opinion but I don't think he even mentioned arm strength with Geno but said it 2 or 3 times with Wilson. (Granted I skipped through parts of the interview so I could of missed something)
He's mentioned Geno's arm strength several times in other interviews.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:59 AM   #32
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Even before fixing his footwork, Geno would have walked onto the NFL stage with a top 10 arm. If he learns to use his lower body better, he can have as strong a arm as anyone in the league.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:00 AM   #33
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Here's my real concern.

He said immediately that "There's a number of guys" that could be worthy discussing at the #1 overall pick.

Sorry, but that's just not true. That Senior bowl was !@#$ing ghastly and the regular season never did sell me on Wilson or Barkley.

"If everyone is special, then no one is special..."

If he thinks there are a bunch of guys in this draft worthy of the #1 pick, then I think he's just a bit of a smoke-blower and can't give him full weight on his discussions of Geno Smith.
I need to listen again, but I thought he said there were a number of QBs who would go in the first, as in round.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:03 AM   #34
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completely bias

He is making money off these guys

The higher they get drafted, the better he looks


Geno Smith is not like RGIII
Tyler Wilson is not Matt Stafford

I like Wilson/Smith but he is blowing smoke


both Wilson and Smith are a good fit for the 1st pick ... imagine that


dude is trying to get paid
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People love to spin things out and discredit these kinds of things. Well he will get to visit with the GMs and Coaches and am sure he will have some pull on what he thinks of these kids work experience he had with them. I think they would value his oppionion just fine and see how they actually work out in the combine and go from there. It was a good listen in the OP to hear all the good things he said about the prospects comming out anyways. He talked about the guys he has been working with and the ones he hasn't just admitted what he has heard about them like Barkley.

I'm pretty stoked about what he had to say about Geno and Wilson so I really don't give a **** what others disclaim his role in all of this is.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:04 AM   #35
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Really? I think one of his strengths is his deep ball.
He has a solid deep ball because he has great touch, but it's not because he has a strong arm...or at least not because he has elite velocity.

Most of his intermediate passes have a bit of that Rivers 'hump' to them; they don't come in on a string. In the NFL when windows close faster, a bunch of those are going to get batted away.

But on very rare occasions you'll see him really drive with his legs and throw a freakin' laser. He has the ability to do it, he just rarely does it with any regularity.

If Weinke can get his feet working right, he's going to really improve his velocity on the 10-15 yard throws and suddenly he really will become an outstanding prospect.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:07 AM   #36
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He has a solid deep ball because he has great touch, but it's not because he has a strong arm...or at least not because he has elite velocity.

Most of his intermediate passes have a bit of that Rivers 'hump' to them; they don't come in on a string. In the NFL when windows close faster, a bunch of those are going to get batted away.

But on very rare occasions you'll see him really drive with his legs and throw a freakin' laser. He has the ability to do it, he just rarely does it with any regularity.

If Weinke can get his feet working right, he's going to really improve his velocity on the 10-15 yard throws and suddenly he really will become an outstanding prospect.
Thats how I would define it too. Lacking long ball velocity but makes up for it with long ball accuracy.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:10 AM   #37
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Even before fixing his footwork, Geno would have walked onto the NFL stage with a top 10 arm. If he learns to use his lower body better, he can have as strong a arm as anyone in the league.
Woah now, Tiger. Slow down.

With bad feet, he has an average NFL 'arm'. I feel like anytime I say anything remotely critical of Smith I have to preface it by reminding anyone reading that I love the guy as a prospect, but let's be realistic here.

Yes, his 'arm' is great, but he doesn't get the most out of it because he doesn't use his legs right. So when you talk about his arm, you're not really talking about what it is capable of with proper mechanics, but rather you're talking about the actual velocity generated when he throws a football. When his feet aren't working right, his 'arm' is still strong but he's not getting the most out of it so his velocity wanes. When he's doing that, his usable arm strength is very Sam Bradford-esque; adequate, but not outstanding.

Again, Matt Cassel can throw a football 60 yards - we've seen him do it. NFL arm-strength is otherworldly, even among the guys with 'noodle' arms. It massively understates just how gifted these guys are athletically to say that Geno is going to come in here with bad legs and still have a better arm than 2/3 of the league.

C'mon. Let's be honest about Smith's strengths right now. Velocity isn't among them.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:19 AM   #38
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He has a solid deep ball because he has great touch, but it's not because he has a strong arm...or at least not because he has elite velocity.

Most of his intermediate passes have a bit of that Rivers 'hump' to them; they don't come in on a string. In the NFL when windows close faster, a bunch of those are going to get batted away.

But on very rare occasions you'll see him really drive with his legs and throw a freakin' laser. He has the ability to do it, he just rarely does it with any regularity.

If Andy Reid can get his feet working right, he's going to really improve his velocity on the 10-15 yard throws and suddenly he really will become an outstanding starter for the Chiefs.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:20 AM   #39
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Woah now, Tiger. Slow down.

With bad feet, he has an average NFL 'arm'. I feel like anytime I say anything remotely critical of Smith I have to preface it by reminding anyone reading that I love the guy as a prospect, but let's be realistic here.

Yes, his 'arm' is great, but he doesn't get the most out of it because he doesn't use his legs right. So when you talk about his arm, you're not really talking about what it is capable of with proper mechanics, but rather you're talking about the actual velocity generated when he throws a football. When his feet aren't working right, his 'arm' is still strong but he's not getting the most out of it so his velocity wanes. When he's doing that, his usable arm strength is very Sam Bradford-esque; adequate, but not outstanding.

Again, Matt Cassel can throw a football 60 yards - we've seen him do it. NFL arm-strength is otherworldly, even among the guys with 'noodle' arms. It massively understates just how gifted these guys are athletically to say that Geno is going to come in here with bad legs and still have a better arm than 2/3 of the league.

C'mon. Let's be honest about Smith's strengths right now. Velocity isn't among them.
These are good points.

I am gitty that Chris Weinke is working on all that footwork to help with the velocity & that is why he went to Chris Weinke in the first place to help him be a better pro QB. So some of that can be fixed going to the IMG Academy. Hope it helps him out the most & shows it pay off at the combine.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:23 AM   #40
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He has a solid deep ball because he has great touch, but it's not because he has a strong arm...or at least not because he has elite velocity.

Most of his intermediate passes have a bit of that Rivers 'hump' to them; they don't come in on a string. In the NFL when windows close faster, a bunch of those are going to get batted away.

But on very rare occasions you'll see him really drive with his legs and throw a freakin' laser. He has the ability to do it, he just rarely does it with any regularity.

If Weinke can get his feet working right, he's going to really improve his velocity on the 10-15 yard throws and suddenly he really will become an outstanding prospect.
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Heyzeus Tebow

People love to spin things out and discredit these kinds of things. Well he will get to visit with the GMs and Coaches and am sure he will have some pull on what he thinks of these kids work experience he had with them. I think they would value his oppionion just fine and see how they actually work out in the combine and go from there. It was a good listen in the OP to hear all the good things he said about the prospects comming out anyways. He talked about the guys he has been working with and the ones he hasn't just admitted what he has heard about them like Barkley.

I'm pretty stoked about what he had to say about Geno and Wilson so I really don't give a **** what others disclaim his role in all of this is.
so you are what you've always been ... QB or bust

Geno,Geno,Geno

Weinke said what you wanted to hear so you don't care whether he is currently being paid by Geno Smith or not.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:52 AM   #42
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so you are what you've always been ... QB or bust

Geno,Geno,Geno

Weinke said what you wanted to hear so you don't care whether he is currently being paid by Geno Smith or not.
Do you ever get tired of not having any original takes and just busting on other people's opinions all the time?
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so you are what you've always been ... QB or bust

Geno,Geno,Geno

Weinke said what you wanted to hear so you don't care whether he is currently being paid by Geno Smith or not.
I don't curr if he is being paid or not. His reputation is on the line and that am sure also is put on the test each year.


Yes I liked what he had to say about the prospects Geno and Tyler Wilson are the ones he gave great praise to for working with them. I get that they pay him, but they don't pay him to lie about what they got going for them.
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he said smith was smart and can make every throw, and is as good a thrower as any QB he's trained..."as advanced as RG3 in processing information and making the throws"
How dare he! Blashphemy! Nobody who knows anything could ever possibly think that!
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Do you ever get tired of not having any original takes and just busting on other people's opinions all the time?
No....it's Laz. It's all he does.
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