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Old 01-29-2013, 05:58 AM  
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Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6212845

Pretty good stuff in here guys. Sorry if Q.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:57 PM   #76
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Weinke is pretty much saying the pundits are full of shit. He's also saying what a lot of us have already been saying that everyone got spoiled with Luck and RGIII last year.

I can tell Weinke is higher on Geno than Tyler. And he's working with both of them. Compared Geno to RGIII, and Wilson to Matt Stafford.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:59 PM   #77
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The good news is that we have 2 or 3 guys here on this staff that know how to coach that stuff now.

When you look at his flaws, they're coachable. We've got one of the most QB-friendly coaching staffs in football.

Time to do the deed.
Exactly. We have the staff that can fix him.

I just take some exception to people that argue that there's nothing to fix.

My old trial practice professor once told me that any argument that doesn't strongly make your point, detracts from the point you made strongly.

Once people come in here and spout stuff that just doesn't have much basis in reality, they lead with their chin and make it easy to undermine the arguments that are strong and do have plenty of foundation to them.

If the folks that really like Geno are willing to acknowledge his flaws, then I think it makes our support for him despite those flaws all the stronger, especially if we can incorporate those flaws into his list of strengths.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:59 PM   #78
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Didn't DJ say he loves Geno as a prospect? You cant criticize anything about Geno without his cult going after you.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:03 PM   #79
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You need to watch more because he has absolutely done that.

The problem is that more often than not, he doesn't get his feet right, so it comes out different.

When he gets his feet right, he can throw it on a rope.
I've watched games looking for just that and not really seen it but I haven't watched every game though. I like Geno and I'm not saying he can't make those throws I just don't see them. Really I just want a firm grasp of what Geno Smith really is.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:06 PM   #80
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I bet 100M CC money at the combine that won't be a big issue or that he proves it's not. That he will show plenty of zip on his passes.
I'm going to be surprised if he throws at the combine.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:07 PM   #81
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:07 PM   #82
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Some people don't read very much.

Again, SNR and I were the first people on the Geno bandwagon. I guarantee you that I've been watching this kid for longer than you have.

When he doesn't set his feet and drive his legs, his ball gets a hump on intermediate passes. Those will not work at this level and those are passes he's going to need to be able to complete with regularity in Reid's system.

You've picked the wrong guy to try to say "doesn't like Geno". I love the kid, in fact I think his weakness here is actually a good thing in that it's easily coached and will make him even better than his tape shows.

But I'm not going to just make shit up to support my guy and say he has a top 10 NFL arm even when he doesn't use his legs appropriately. The same as I wasn't going to say that Alex Smith is a pile of moldy dog shit just to prop up support for Geno.

Watch these guys for what they are and examine them accordingly. You might learn something.
The one thing that surprised me a bit when looking at the excellent throws chart that has been floating around was the merely average accuracy totals posted on the intermediate throws.

But that tracks really well with his inconsistent mechanics and footwork.

I wonder how much of the inconsistent footwork comes from the porous OL he has played behind, and his attempts to get the ball out as quick as possible.

If he can keep those instincts while cleaning up his footwork, it could end up being a tremendous asset in the pros. Compare that to, say, Sam Bradford, who played in probably THE cleanest pocket of any of the guys drafted high, who has not been great throwing the ball when hurried/pressured, and you've got a winning combo, IMO.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:09 PM   #83
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I'm going to be surprised if he throws at the combine.
I'm going to be pissed if he doesn't.

He can't just sit back and dodge every attempt he has to prove that he's worth that draft pick.

I would honestly start to question his confidence and leadership ability if he doesn't throw at the combine. A great leader needs to have that swagger and confidence that he's the biggest chocolately peen on the block and if Smith isn't willing to prove that, you have another flag popping up, IMO.

I don't like that he didn't play at the SR bowl, but I understand it (too many things can determine whether or not you do well to really be a fair measure). However, if he also refuses to throw at the combine, when it's just him and God controlling shit, then he's pretty much proving himself a bit of a coward at that point.
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completely bias

He is making money off these guys

The higher they get drafted, the better he looks


Geno Smith is not like RGIII
Tyler Wilson is not Matt Stafford

I like Wilson/Smith but he is blowing smoke


both Wilson and Smith are a good fit for the 1st pick ... imagine that


dude is trying to get paid
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I'm going to be pissed if he doesn't.

He can't just sit back and dodge every attempt he has to prove that he's worth that draft pick.

I would honestly start to question his confidence and leadership ability if he doesn't throw at the combine. A great leader needs to have that swagger and confidence that he's the biggest chocolately peen on the block and if Smith isn't willing to prove that, you have another flag popping up, IMO.

I don't like that he didn't play at the SR bowl, but I understand it (too many things can determine whether or not you do well to really be a fair measure). However, if he also refuses to throw at the combine, when it's just him and God controlling shit, then he's pretty much proving himself a bit of a coward at that point.
There have been a lot of QB's not throw at Indy and wait until their schools Pro Day.

And while I agreee with you, I am not going to be shocked if he waits, nor will I hold it against him. But I will be disappointed.
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I'm going to be pissed if he doesn't.

He can't just sit back and dodge every attempt he has to prove that he's worth that draft pick.

I would honestly start to question his confidence and leadership ability if he doesn't throw at the combine. A great leader needs to have that swagger and confidence that he's the biggest chocolately peen on the block and if Smith isn't willing to prove that, you have another flag popping up, IMO.

I don't like that he didn't play at the SR bowl, but I understand it (too many things can determine whether or not you do well to really be a fair measure). However, if he also refuses to throw at the combine, when it's just him and God controlling shit, then he's pretty much proving himself a bit of a coward at that point.
WHy? alot of top picks have private Pro Days now in March.
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WHy? alot of top picks have private Pro Days now in March.
Uh...whuh?

I'm pretty sure I answered the 'why'. As to my reasoning for it, 'a lot of top picks' aren't quarterbacks and those that are aren't vying for the #1 overall pick in a draft where there is so much debate over the consensus top QB available.

It's not terribly instructive to look to what other prospects do, IMO. What Geno should do is show the confidence in himself and his ability and go throw at the damn combine, when he'll be able to go stand shoulder to shoulder with the people he's claiming he's better than and prove it.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:27 PM   #89
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I've watched games looking for just that and not really seen it but I haven't watched every game though. I like Geno and I'm not saying he can't make those throws I just don't see them. Really I just want a firm grasp of what Geno Smith really is.
What he really is?

Hard to say 100% for certain.

He's absolutely a top-flight prospect with very high ceiling. He's got almost everything you look for in a franchise QB.
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If I was his agent and I was confident that he is the best guy out there, I'd tell him to go swing his big thing in front of everyone. That way, you position your guy to just put the cherry on top of the whole deal at his pro day, as opposed to having to prove everything in one day.

But I guess I won't be shocked if he does not throw at the Combine, just disappointed.
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