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Old 01-29-2013, 05:58 AM  
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Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6212845

Pretty good stuff in here guys. Sorry if Q.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:45 PM   #196
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I think it went from wildly overrated to wildly underrated.

I don't recall who, maybe Duncan, that pointed out that Geno has good arm strength but not so great so that he can make all throws from all angles and I think that's a perfect way to put it.
Agree with all of this, including duncan's assessment. Imagine that dude finally contributing something of value...

I should revise my previous statement from "modern analysis" to "current analysis," since it's not like 1998 was the pre-modern world, though technological advancements might suggest otherwise.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:46 PM   #197
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Those things (throwing without proper mechanics from top to bottom) can be said about nearly every single quarterback in the NFL. I think it's fair to say that without tweaks, he is top half of the league in arm strength. Now, should we break down his accuracy so we can find out where he comes in as an overall thrower?

I probably overrate him there, too.
And I think that's all I said - that when his feet aren't under him, he's got an average arm; Bradford-esqe.

As to his accuracy, I think he's at 8-10 in the league but man that's a hard thing to compare. Coming out of college, Bradford was the most accurate passer I saw in years. I thought he would be a guy that would come into the NFL and be among the top 5 most precise passers out there.

As it turns out, his accuracy is above average, but not elite. Because of that (and some other guys I overrated a little bit), I've started tempering my thoughts on a college QBs accuracy until I see it in action at the next level. I think his is superb, but it's hard to bet much on it.

As a pure thrower, he looks outstanding to me. The question will be how he reacts when the bullets are flying and how he handles teaching, because he does need a little bit.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:46 PM   #198
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And us thinking it's the right or wrong decision doesn't make it so, either.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:47 PM   #199
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When he flips his hips and doesn't drive? No, he certainly isn't.
Again, this can be said of any quarterback that gets lazy with the fundamentals and mechanics.
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Again, this can be said of any quarterback that gets lazy with the fundamentals and mechanics.
No, it can't.


The elite arm guys, Stafford, Cutler etc, can be absolutely awful mechanically and still spin it.


Now if you want to talk about accuracy and timing, thats a different story.
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And I think that's all I said - that when his feet aren't under him, he's got an average arm; Bradford-esqe.

As to his accuracy, I think he's at 8-10 in the league but man that's a hard thing to compare. Coming out of college, Bradford was the most accurate passer I saw in years. I thought he would be a guy that would come into the NFL and be among the top 5 most precise passers out there.

As it turns out, his accuracy is above average, but not elite. Because of that (and some other guys I overrated a little bit), I've started tempering my thoughts on a college QBs accuracy until I see it in action at the next level. I think his is superb, but it's hard to bet much on it.

As a pure thrower, he looks outstanding to me. The question will be how he reacts when the bullets are flying and how he handles teaching, because he does need a little bit.
I'd love to read a post draft interview where they (Dorsey, Reid) admit that they had Geno #1 all along and that Clark hired a cast of QB specialists to help identify te top guy and make the best effort possible to help him develop his skills.
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:52 PM   #202
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My biggest thing against Geno, is that when things start breaking down, those are the times his fundamentals go to shit and he falls too much in love with his touch at times.


Thats the best thing about Brady. His mechanics are pretty much flawless. He doesn't really have a great arm, but a good solid arm with elite elite accuracy.
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Just because he's being told not to do it, doesn't make it the right decision.
Just because we want to see him throw doesn't make it the wrong decision either.
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i think it is a pretty big gap between the 2. I think geno's got a strong arm but i don't think it's much stronger than barkley's or wilson's. I've seen barkley make some of the same throw's geno's made.

the NFL elites are just a completely different animal. Not saying geno can't get up in the discussion but i don't think he'll match the others people have spoken of.
Geno's arm is quite a bit stronger than Barkley's.
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No, it can't.


The elite arm guys, Stafford, Cutler etc, can be absolutely awful mechanically and still spin it.


Now if you want to talk about accuracy and timing, thats a different story.
Show me where I said he could get into the group with Stafford and Cutler...I think you mistook what I said. I thought I was clear that even with tweaks he will be just outside that group.

What I did say was that you can say that any quarterback in the NFL losses velocity when they don't use proper mechanics.

That's why a pass rush is so vital to today's defenses...if you can make quarterbacks uncomfortable, you can make him rush his throws and therefore take some velocity and accuracy off the all.
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My biggest thing against Geno, is that when things start breaking down, those are the times his fundamentals go to shit and he falls too much in love with his touch at times.


Thats the best thing about Brady. His mechanics are pretty much flawless. He doesn't really have a great arm, but a good solid arm with elite elite accuracy.
NFL coaching will do that.

I'm not heavily impressed with Dana, tbh.
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Show me where I said he could get into the group with Stafford and Cutler...I think you mistook what I said. I thought I was clear that even with tweaks he will be just outside that group.

What I did say was that you can say that any quarterback in the NFL losses velocity when they don't use proper mechanics.

That's why a pass rush is so vital to today's defenses...if you can make quarterbacks uncomfortable, you can make him rush his throws and therefore take some velocity and accuracy off the all.
No where am I saying he can get into that group or that you said he can. He can't. He doesn't have the physical gifts those guys do.

I'm just saying those guys can break down mechanics and still spin it. They lose accuracy and a few have questionable accuracy to begin with.
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The elite arm guys, Stafford, Cutler etc, can be absolutely awful mechanically and still spin it.
To an opposing player.

I'm pretty sick of hearing about Cutler. If he didn't have an elite arm, he wouldn't even be a starter in the league.
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Just because we want to see him throw doesn't make it the wrong decision either.
Sure.


But running around saying its in his best interest not to do it, simply because previous guys didn't or he is being advised not to doesn't mean it isn't a questionable decision.


It may work out, it may not.
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