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Old 01-29-2013, 06:58 AM  
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Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.
http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6212845

Pretty good stuff in here guys. Sorry if Q.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:33 PM   #241
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Barkleys line was pretty damn good man. I don't have the stats but watching Wvus line and uscs its like night and day.
i wouldn't say it was pretty damn good.. THey hurt pretty bad by loosing kalil. THey weren't as bad was WVU but they weren't good by any means.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:35 PM   #242
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not yet no but i think he has the smarts and the drive to push himself to try to get there. smart with pre-snap reads, smart with audibles, very good at manipulating defenses with his eyes, has a great pumpfake, student of the game and has been being groomed since a boy to do this. I think barkley has the highest floor out of the QB's and has just as high a ceiling as the others.

really wish he was taller though
This is where you are getting off though. His physical abilities don't allow him to have as high of a ceiling as the others.


All that stuff you just said is great, and I'm sure he could be great at it. But in the end he has to have arm strength and accuracy to get the ball where it needs to go.


Thats what I question.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:36 PM   #243
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I can see Barkley succeeding here. We have the talent/coaching to help him out.

Charles has helped much worse look like a competent *ahem Cassel*
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:38 PM   #244
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he has plenty of arm strength for the NFL and he's plenty accurate to. Hell he's got a stronger arm that half the NFL at this point. Accuracy he's had and he can even learn more and go farther. Especially with a system and coach like reid. Hell peyton has a ****ing NOODLE arm but he does what he does cause he's smart and he has the system perfectly fit to him.

I'm a firm believer that accuracy is a product of the system that you put around your QB. Granted there is natural accuracy, that i think barkley and geno both have. But system and coaching can take it to that elite level, ala geno in his air raid system with his teams system
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I don't know if you follow Nick Jacobs on Twitter, but he just made an interesting point about Geno in the KSU game.


Basically said KSU baited Geno into throws, were sound defensively and that Geno was limited by the WVU o philosophy and took what KSU gave him.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:40 PM   #246
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The system DID get figured out and Dana h did little to nothing to adapt to that. Maybe that was coaching or maybe it was talent outside of the two receivers...maybe it was Geno himself not being able to figure out what the defenses were trying to do to him.

That's where it's hard to make a real judgement with such limited info available to us.

No doubt everything got turned sideways by KSt and never turned back.

If Geno is able to answer those questions in the meeting rooms, he will go first overall, if he isn't able to...he could be waiting to be drafted for som time.

Should be interesting.
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he has plenty of arm strength for the NFL and he's plenty accurate to. Hell he's got a stronger arm that half the NFL at this point. Accuracy he's had and he can even learn more and go farther. Especially with a system and coach like reid. Hell peyton has a ****ing NOODLE arm but he does what he does cause he's smart and he has the system perfectly fit to him.

I'm a firm believer that accuracy is a product of the system that you put around your QB.
Accuracy is wha????


Barkley struggled with accuracy this year throwing a career high in INTs.


Barkley has the ceiling of a high end game manager. You can win with that, even win a playoff game or two. But without an elite group around him, I tend to think thats about it.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:40 PM   #248
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Well, I'd hope you would consider me to be a little more informed and do my own judgement not basing it on the talking head mock drafting guys.

And yes, I'm sure they are more informed. They are paid to be and have connections. All we are doing is speculating.


I'm speculating that based on his last half season of game tape, he has some questions to answer. I could say that his system got figured out and Holgorson is a moron, that he wasn't as bad as every one said, and that there were other factors playing into that, but I don't want to get shackled with being a Geno ite or whatever.


So I'm just going to say that, I would like to see him throw at the combine, but if he's being told "Hey, the Chiefs are already locked into you at 1" yeah I wouldn't throw.

But I don't personally see that being the case.
Why don't you see that being the case?

What I am seeing Is paralysis by analysis. We've heard so many times that this class of QBs is weak and there is no Luck that we're subconsciously looking for reasons why the Chiefs might not take him.

If there's one thing I am pretty sure of its that we care A LOT more about whether he throws at the combine than the NFL teams do. They've got his tape and they know even more than we do what they are watching.

At the combine, they want to sit in a room with him and pick his brain. If he throws, that's the icing on the cake.

As for being labeled a Geno-ite, I can't imagine why you would say that. You would prefer to ignore the TRUTH in hopes that people wouldn't label you as being subjective? That's just crazy talk.

Was Sam Bradford a sure fire #1 pick? Because I sure as hell don't see a lot of difference.
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I can see Barkley succeeding here. We have the talent/coaching to help him out.

Charles has helped much worse look like a competent *ahem Cassel*
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not yet no but i think he has the smarts and the drive to push himself to try to get there. smart with pre-snap reads, smart with audibles, very good at manipulating defenses with his eyes, has a great pumpfake, student of the game and has been being groomed since a boy to do this. I think barkley has the highest floor out of the QB's and has just as high a ceiling as the others.

really wish he was taller though
Just don't agree at all.

He has the highest floor, yes. But his ceiling isn't close to Wilson's or Geno's.
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I can see Barkley succeeding here. We have the talent/coaching to help him out.

Charles has helped much worse look like a competent *ahem Cassel*
I can see Barkley fitting in a lot of places and playing right away.

I don't see him as a guy taking the team on his back and winning in the NFL though.
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Just don't agree at all.

He has the highest floor, yes. But his ceiling isn't close to Wilson's or Geno's.
I'm not sure I'd go that far. Barkley can be another Matt Ryan if he goes into the right situation.

IMO, of course.
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Why don't you see that being the case?

What I am seeing Is paralysis by analysis. We've heard so many times that this class of QBs is weak and there is no Luck that we're subconsciously looking for reasons why the Chiefs might not take him.

If there's one thing I am pretty sure of its that we care A LOT more about whether he throws at the combine than the NFL teams do. They've got his tape and they know even more than we do what they are watching.

At the combine, they want to sit in a room with him and pick his brain. If he throws, that's the icing on the cake.

As for being labeled a Geno-ite, I can't imagine why you would say that. You would prefer to ignore the TRUTH in hopes that people wouldn't label you as being subjective? That's just crazy talk.

Was Sam Bradford a sure fire #1 pick? Because I sure as hell don't see a lot of difference.
Well, my Geno ite take was sarcastic as hell, but I guess that didn't cross.

I think you've been bombarded by anti geno/Qb stuff on here you've got embattled soldier syndrome or something htis. Calm yourself, I'm one of the good guys.


I do have questions about Geno. Doesn't mean I don't want/think we will take him at 1 overall.
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Why don't you see that being the case?

What I am seeing Is paralysis by analysis. We've heard so many times that this class of QBs is weak and there is no Luck that we're subconsciously looking for reasons why the Chiefs might not take him.

If there's one thing I am pretty sure of its that we care A LOT more about whether he throws at the combine than the NFL teams do. They've got his tape and they know even more than we do what they are watching.

At the combine, they want to sit in a room with him and pick his brain. If he throws, that's the icing on the cake.

As for being labeled a Geno-ite, I can't imagine why you would say that. You would prefer to ignore the TRUTH in hopes that people wouldn't label you as being subjective? That's just crazy talk.

Was Sam Bradford a sure fire #1 pick? Because I sure as hell don't see a lot of difference.
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