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Old 01-29-2013, 06:58 AM  
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Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

http://www.610sports.com/topic/play_...udioId=6212845

Pretty good stuff in here guys. Sorry if Q.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:55 PM   #271
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I'm not comparing anyone to either, i'm just using them as the accuracy is a product of the system discussion. IMO barkley's ceiling could be that of peyton mannings, at his lowest ceiling he could be a schaub. Who will win you some games but all around is a HORRIBLE QB. But i think the others are right with a matt ryan type QB comparison. Which i would be GREAT with matt ryan
Those teams were able to tailor their systems around those guys BECAUSE they had elite accuracy. It didn't cause them to be accurate.


Sorry, but a system doesn't create accuracy.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:57 PM   #272
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I'm not comparing anyone to either, i'm just using them as the accuracy is a product of the system discussion. IMO barkley's ceiling could be that of peyton mannings, at his lowest ceiling he could be a schaub. Who will win you some games but all around is a HORRIBLE QB. But i think the others are right with a matt ryan type QB comparison. Which i would be GREAT with matt ryan
Barkley's ceiling isn't anywhere close to "Peyton Manning".
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:58 PM   #273
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I don't think one "develops accuracy" I think that is a trait you are either born with, or not. Similar to an elite arm.

You can improve here and there, but there aren't many guys that went from completing 55% of their throws to completing over 65% ...

I bet Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers could knock a soda can off a guys head from 15 years out when they were 15 years old and there are guys in the NFLhat still can't.
I kind of agree with this. Some guys have it, some guys don't.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:58 PM   #274
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Barkley's ceiling isn't anywhere close to "Peyton Manning".
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:58 PM   #275
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but this is where we differ cause i think barkley's got a stronger arm then you do.
Lack of arm strength was the main reason he threw so many more INTS this year. He tried to fit it in smaller windows and just didn't have the spin to get it there.


My biggest problem with USC QB"s isn't because there is some "USC ASS STIGMA " liek others think, it's because they usually have the best talent available around them and are pretty much tapped out, from a growth standpoint when you get them.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:00 PM   #276
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He's not comparing them, but Barkley's ceiling is Peyton Manning, the best regular season QB of all time.


First off, IMO, thats comparing. Secondly, if you think a guys ceiling coming out of college is to be the greatest QB of all time, yeah, you might want to rethink that a little.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:01 PM   #277
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Those teams were able to tailor their systems around those guys BECAUSE they had elite accuracy. It didn't cause them to be accurate.


Sorry, but a system doesn't create accuracy.
2007 New England Patriots 16 16 398 578 68.9 4,806 8.3

2008 New England Patriots 16 15 327 516 63.4 3,693 7.2

2009 New England Patriots 16 16 371 565 65.7 4,398 7.8

the year before cassel and the year after cassel in NE's system.

I'm sure anyone on here would have taken that system here in KC with those kind of numbers from cassel.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:04 PM   #278
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Again, I see you don't have 100 posts, so you probably weren't here when it was discussed, but when Cassel became the starter, the Pats completely changed their offensive system.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:04 PM   #279
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I think Barkleys problem was that he relied on that freak of nature WR too much and teams picked up on that. He has said as much a few times.

I think Stafford had the same problem with CJ this year.

Sometimes, it can be a curse to have a receiver that is that good.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:05 PM   #280
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im fine with Genos weaknesses because his strengths outwiegh them.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:05 PM   #281
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Well i don't see it as comparing by saying he has that kind of ceiling but you guys do. I just think he could be a smart Football player that could get his team into the best situation to win, I think he's got a stronger arm then most but he leans to much on touch passes and trying to float them in there.

I don't think coming out of college he's going to be GOAT, but hell lets be real ANY qb could come out and be the next GOAT it just depends on the skillset and if the kid wants it bad enough. I personally think barkley's skillset is very high. He's the most polished he just needs to grow mentally with the game.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:06 PM   #282
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Again, I see you don't have 100 posts, so you probably weren't here when it was discussed, but when Cassel became the starter, the Pats completely changed their offensive system.
No i haven't seen anything but i'm sure they did tweak their system to fit cassel more than brady, which IMO is another example that the system greatly aids the QB's accuracy
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:08 PM   #283
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Aiding the QB's accuracy doesnt equal making a QB more accurate. They tweaked their system because Cassel wasn't as accurate as Brady, coudn't read defenses as well, and was assfart at pushing it down the field.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:09 PM   #284
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Geno Smith has adequate arm strength. To me, it is a pass/fail event. Can he put it on enough of a rope to fit it into tight windows before the defense can react on a 10-15 yard route? PASS. I have seen it several times this year.

Barkley? Not so readily. Barkley is someone who could make throwing at the combine pay dividends if he can demonstrate some tangible velocity.

Geno's accuracy and precision is deadly and to all levels of the field. That is what I want. All the big-armed guys get totally overblown, because so many of them end up being gunslingers.
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If you are saying a guys ceiling is the greatest QB of all time, you're wrong.
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