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Old 01-30-2013, 09:43 AM  
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Pastor refuses to tip "I give GOD 10% why do you get 18%"

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Unhappy with having to pay a restaurant's auto-gratuity of 18% for parties of eight or more, a pissed-off pastor used his receipt to express his indignation.

"I give God 10% — why do you get 18?," the man wrote above the autograt line before crossing out the pre-printed tip and signing the receipt "pastor."

The St. Louis-area server who posted a pic of the receipt on Reddit said the pastor was dining with a party of 20, and asked to have the $200+ bill broken up into smaller increments in a failed attempt to avoid paying the 18% tip.

"They had no problem with my service, and told me I was great," the server said. "They just didn't want to pay when the time came."

Redditors have been trying to track down the less-than-charitable Christian, but have so far been unable to identify the culprit.

At least one pastor was forced to issue a response denying responsibility, and the server herself has asked fellow Redditors to stop posting personal information of random people "who don't deserve a Reddit mob banging down their Internet door."

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Edit: Pastor has now apologized -- waitress fired.

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Old 01-30-2013, 11:48 AM   #196
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I like a server who can recognize that I have a mouthful of food and now is not the time to come by and ask me something. Thumbs up, head nod. It's amazing how often that happens.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:49 AM   #197
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however, if I'm sitting at a bar, I'll tip on the drink like a buck or two. but, if I have 3 beers, the bartender looks like at me like I"m cheap for not tipping on those.

If I'm having several drinks etc, I'll tip ever couple drinks. But I"m not paying $7.5 for a beer, then added a buck to it for each one.
This makes no sense to me. Tipping for a drink. It's literally, hey man can I have a beer, wait 2 seconds. Ok thanks. That's worth 1-2 dollars?
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:49 AM   #198
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however, if I'm sitting at a bar, I'll tip on the drink like a buck or two. but, if I have 3 beers, the bartender looks like at me like I"m cheap for not tipping on those.

If I'm having several drinks etc, I'll tip ever couple drinks. But I"m not paying $7.5 for a beer, then added a buck to it for each one.
This makes no sense to me. Tipping for a drink. It's literally, hey man can I have a beer, wait 2 seconds. Ok thanks. That's worth 1-2 dollars? I get it if you are sitting at the bar with a tab. But if I walk my happy ass up to the bar that should not warrant a tip.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:49 AM   #199
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But it's not truly incentive-based pay. It's not consistent enough to qualify. It's still dependent on the consumer which, as evidenced by this thread, can have wildly differing opinions on where that incentive should start and stop. Or even if the incentive itself is warranted. A waiter can give above and beyond service, and the consumer could be 110% satisfied, and still not give a tip for whatever illogical reason. And there's absolutely nothing that could be done in a situation like that. Waiter is SOL, despite doing nothing wrong.

I understand it's a staple in the industry, but other cultures have clearly shown that it's not actually necessary. Sometimes the rewards can outweigh the risk for the waiter, which is obviously why they tolerate it. But it's still a very flawed practice.
I get this. Totally. Good post.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:50 AM   #200
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The other thing I don't like/get about tipping is that I can go into the following three restaurants and get the same level of service and tip different amounts (assuming 20%):

1. I go into a diner and pay $12 for dinner and leave a $2.40 tip.

2. I go into a midscale restaurant and pay $25 for dinner and leave a $5 tip.

3. I go into an upper-end restaurant and pay $75 for dinner and leave a $15 tip.

Now, in the upper-end restaurant I'll usually have the fellow who fills my water glass frequently, but otherwise I don't usually see much difference in service. Why does the waitress at the midscale restaurant get twice as much tip money when there's no difference in the amount of work they do? It seems unfair that the tip is based on the cost of the food.

And I should point out that I've never received a tip in 20+ year of work as an engineer, economic research, and market/demographic researcher. I really think there should be more tipping in these industries for work well done.
I agree with everything you have said.

I often find tip %'s directly correlate with how much the consumer enjoyed their meals, as well.

When I worked at a well known deep dish pizza shop in college town, central Illinois...two pizzas would serve 12+ people and the bill would be outrageously cheap for families coming down from Chicago where everything is jacked up...they'd bring out their whole family, have some appetizers, pitchers of beer...two huge delicious pizzas...and I'd get $40 tips on $100 bills like it was going out of style. They'd look at their bills and laugh.

I'd look at the tip and laugh about how easy my life was.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:50 AM   #201
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Nah. Auto-grat is a tool to be racist. I hated it. I'd have people ask me all the time..."should I grat them?" "Should I grat them?" They'd grat every black table and they'd leave it off of every white table. It's a ****ing sham. If I owned a restaurant I'd have the staff vote to either have it be mandatory or never have it. It's bullshit.
that's a poorly ran restaurant. I've been a restaurant manager in the past. We had a policy for parties of 8 or more they get 18% added. No exceptions. It was the servers responsibility to come to the managers and get the gratuity added. If they didn't, they got written up. 3 write ups in 6 months for the same thing = fired.
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But **** that pastor and mark down another reason why I hate religion and their stupid followers.


Come on man, that's beyond silly.
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If you have to afford being tipped to make a living, you can't afford working as a waiter. Is 20% the new 10%? I always tip around 15% and I thought it was higher than most. Still, I think tipping is stupid. I think of all the times I have tipped in my life and think back on if I never tipped in my entire life how much better it would be and how much more money I would have.
Seems about right for CP.
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much to do about nothing.

a % of bill never made sense to me.
An expensive restarurant would create more tip for the server than the one working at IHOP.
Other than carrying a more expensive plate of food what does the high priced server do that the lower priced server doesn't?
So those of you who are in the food service business, please help me out.
I would rather tip on effort vs. the price of the meal.
You should receive much better service at an expensive restaurant than a lower end restaurant.

I wait tables at a steak and seafood restaurants. I consider myself a very good waiter, and I know that if that wasn't true, I wouldn't have my job. I am the only waiter at my restaurant with less than 10 years of server experience. (I am only waiting tables through college) I worked at 2 restaurants back in high school, Chappell's in NKC was one of them. I can assure you that the servers where I work now are better than any of the servers at ether of the restaurants that I worked at in Kansas City. We also provide a lot more services. Tables automatically get water, every meal gets a salad (which the servers make) and fresh bread, fresh ground pepper is offered with each course, and we package the leftover food. You won't get most of those services at Applebee's. You will never have an empty glass or empty plate in front of you, and you will never have to flag down your server for your check. I am disappointed if I do not make more than 20% in tips at the end of the night. I also tip out 30% of what I make to the busser, bartender, and kitchen staff.

If you are getting equivalent service at IHOP as you do at Jack Stack, the person at IHOP should be looking for a better job, or the person at Jack Stack should be fired. I quit going to IHOP because the service was so poor.
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you can yell at the manager and say the service sucked and the food sucked and then they will remove the auto grat. Legally they can't make you tip.

But **** that pastor and mark down another reason why I hate religion and their stupid followers.
Nah.

I'd take it off as manager if they had a good reason to complain. If the service was truly bad and the server was at fault, the auto grat is off.

However, our menus CLEARLY stated that parties of 8 or more would receive an 18% gratuity and we stuck to that and I'd stick up for my employees 10 times out of 10.

You don't go to work, have your section hoarded by a group for 3 hours, and not get tipped. That's not right when you make $2.13 an hour.

And you know what...and my managers used to use me as an example when servers would complain about their auto grat being removed...I was the go to guy for big groups (I loved working them, I was good at them) and I never once had any person (no matter what race, religion, social standing) ask for a manager to remove the auto-gratuity. They would ask ALL OF THE TIME about what it was and I'd say "oh that's the gratuity that is added for groups of 8 or more" and you could tell some of them were annoyed but no one ever complained because people aren't liars...

they weren't going to throw me under the bus after they just received IMPECCABLE service because I know who the bad tippers are and who the complainers are so that's when I give them the best service they could ever get because that's THE ONLY WAY to keep them quiet...

and they'd test me in any way you'd ever know how...they'd get their meals and "not like it", so I'd get them something else and they "wouldn't like it" and I'd never budge, just non-stop apologies and kindness until they finally gave up because they knew I wouldn't break.

It was the easiest job in the world. I just don't let those kinds of people get to me, ever. When people gave me a hard time I'd use the "at least I'm me and they are them" logic 10 times out of 10. I'd rather be their bitch for 1 hour then have to go home to whatever it is they went home to that made them so miserable.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:55 AM   #206
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I tip well, but have noticed more lately (maybe I'm just getting crotchety) some ridiculous establishments hinting at tips.
The worst;
The new self-serve yogurt places.
Let me get this straight. I get a cup, fill it myself with delicious yogurt, then I spoon the perfect mix of assorted ingredients over said yogurt, followed by me weighing my flawless concoction, so that you may push a button in a register, so I can pay. And you want a tip? Seriously?
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that's a poorly ran restaurant. I've been a restaurant manager in the past. We had a policy for parties of 8 or more they get 18% added. No exceptions. It was the servers responsibility to come to the managers and get the gratuity added. If they didn't, they got written up. 3 write ups in 6 months for the same thing = fired.
well I guess you didn't work in a restaurant that would do $50,000 in sales on a Saturday night...

that paperwork would be impossible

and I doubt you worked as a restaurant manager as well; you don't know enough about the business. You're always so full of shit.
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I'm different. I have no problem throwing a $1 in a tip jar at a Baskin Robins...those people have truly shit jobs that pay them maybe $0.25 more than minimum wage...if anyone deserves $5-$10 at the end of their shifts, it's those guys. I agree tip jars are lame but man, I wouldn't want to work at a Baskin Robins.
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Over loading them with a large group.... Lol you're telling me they would rather not have a large group? They make money by the amount of people coming into the restaurant ordering food. I have taken 40-50 kids to eat during season and they don't ever charge us gratuity. If they did we wouldn't go there. I do however make each kid leave $2 which equals a pretty good pay day for the waiters.
On a slower week night, I would prefer a large group. On a Friday or Saturday when I can keep a full section and turn tables over quickly, I would rather have the smaller tables. Large tables (>12 people) rarely tip more than 20%, whereas I average more than 20% on small tables. I have only placed automatic gratuity on one large party, and that was because I was advised to do so by a member of the party.
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This makes no sense to me. Tipping for a drink. It's literally, hey man can I have a beer, wait 2 seconds. Ok thanks. That's worth 1-2 dollars? I get it if you are sitting at the bar with a tab. But if I walk my happy ass up to the bar that should not warrant a tip.
I had a realization last year that since I don't drink I don't tip as much. So if I'm in a sports bar or pub-type restaurant and I order the ribs, salad, and soda, I'm a lower-dollar tipper than the guy at the next table who ordered the ribs, salad, and two beers, even if we tip the same percentage. But I'm probably just as much work.

So I'll ask the people with restaurant experience. Do I get sneered at if I'm the 10 percent that doesn't order alcohol? Am I perceived to be a "cheap tipper" even though I tip the same amount?

I'd honestly never thought about this, but it really started bothering me. I've even started upgrading my tips if I'm in a place where most people are drinking alcohol.
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