Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The process they use is entirely self-serving and born out of a need to subsist in their job more than anything else.

The "process" for fans and GMs alike, is entirely subjective.

I would expect more from you. See my last post for why.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by jAZ

I would expect more from you. See my last post for why.

I'll bet I've watched more snaps of Geno and Tyler Wilson than Reid has.

I really don't care what you expect from me.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'll bet I've watched more snaps of Geno and Tyler Wilson than Reid has.

I really don't care what you expect from me.

Maybe, but I'm certain that you haven't ever built an NFL offense, or coached an NFL QB. And I'm all but sure that none of those snaps were NFL scouting film with all of the moving parts visible.

So what you watch doesn't have any context.

That you would not appreciate that without having it pointed out... is surprising, honestly. I don't typically think of you as being among the group of fans who take themselves overly seriously.

But as you rightly point out, you don't (and probably shouldn't) care much for what I say. The only thing I know is that I don't know.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Maybe, but I'm certain that you haven't ever built an NFL offense, or coached an NFL QB. And I'm all but sure that none of those snaps were NFL scouting film with all of the moving parts visible.

So what you watch doesn't have any context.

Pioli had complete access to every Matt Cassel snap ever and was completely reeruned over him.

Fallacious appeals to authority don't jive.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

***** had complete access to every Matt Cassel snap ever and was completely reeruned over him.

Fallacious appeals to authority don't jive.

MC was a far better bet at the time than the alternative being considered in Mark Sanchez. More certainty, less cost. Looking back, they had the same success. And as a result, Matt Cassel was factually a better investment even looking back.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by jAZ

MC was a far better bet at the time than the alternative being considered in Mark Sanchez. More certainty, less cost. Looking back, they had the same success. And as a result, Matt Cassel was factually a better investment even looking back.

Yeah, what about Josh Freeman? ***** failed, hardcore. If he had any idea that Matt Cassel was shitty, he would NEVER have given him 60m.

You are such a shitty homer.

And "looking back" at least Mark Sanchez won playoff games. Matt never came close.

Wrong again, homer.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Yeah, what about Josh Freeman? ***** failed, hardcore. If he had any idea that Matt Cassel was shitty, he would NEVER have given him 60m.

You are such a shitty homer.

And "looking back" at least Mark Sanchez won playoff games. Matt never came close.

Wrong again, homer.

I'm not convinced that Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco aren't perfect analogs of each other. Both are guys that struggle with short/intermediate accuracy and have, on occasion, lost their teams. They're both guys that will spend large chunks of the season looking like boiled ass.

But they're both guys that play pretty well in the playoffs. Flacco's always been surrounded by better players and he's probably a little bit better than Sanchez, but it's not night and day. Flacco also hasn't had the pressure of the NY media absolutely hounding him; he's not the ESPN mark that Sanchez has been.

Had the Ravens traded Joe Flacco for the rights to Mark Sanchez, I'm pretty sure both franchises fates would've been exactly the same over the last 4 seasons as they have been in the real world.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Yeah, what about Josh Freeman? ***** failed, hardcore. If he had any idea that Matt Cassel was shitty, he would NEVER have given him 60m.

You are such a shitty homer.

And "looking back" at least Mark Sanchez won playoff games. Matt never came close.

Wrong again, homer.

This is like saying 3-4 years from now Tyler Bray ended up being the best QB in the 2013 draft, therefore Dorsey is an idiot for choosing Alex Smith over Geno Smith.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by jAZ

You don't make up for past failures by over-reacting today.

I have no idea if Geno Smith is the right QB or not. And neither do the 32 GM's out there today. And neither do the draft talking heads here or in the media.

If the facts of the draft say that no QB is graded in the top 15 players, and you have the option to make a trade for an NFL-experienced QB that you think is worth the pick you'll be trading, you DON'T cave to pressure from fans who are essentially disappointed that this draft class doesn't match our position of need and they long to be like the cool kids who always seem to get the big splash on draft day.

If Reid and Dorsey think that Alex Smith for a #33 or #65 is a better bet for their plans than Geno Smith for the #1, then take Alex Smith. And the Cassel experience should have zero impact on that decision. And fans desire for selecting a #1 overall QB should have none.

Nothing.

So based on the bolded, we shouldn't take a chance on a quarterback in the first, in your opinion. We don't know if Joeckel is going to be worth a shit, either. Nor Star Loutelil(?), or Milliner, or Moore, or *insert name here*.

We should just miss our alotted time to pick every round becasue we just don't know if any of the guys we take will be any good. Just sit back and let the feeding frenzy commence every time we skip a pick.

You sound like 80% of the idiots that call into local radio talk shows in KC, jAZ. It really is like the fans of this team have been programmed to just play it safe and not take chances.

This team needs a quarterback, period. We NEED to have our OWN quarterback. We have now gone through two and a half full decades of trying to win with some other teams' castoffs, and what has it gotten us? Three playoff wins in twenty five years of trying it with "proven vets". If Joe ****ing Montana couldn't put us over the hump, what in the name of all that is holy would make you think Alex Smith can?

This team, right now, is BUILT for a Geno Smith. This kid can come in and make a difference, ESPECIALLY with Andy Reid guiding the way for him.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by Bowser

So based on the bolded, we shouldn't take a chance on a quarterback in the first, in your opinion. We don't know if Joeckel is going to be worth a shit, either. Nor Star Loutelil(?), or Milliner, or Moore, or *insert name here*.

We should just miss our alotted time to pick every round becasue we just don't know if any of the guys we take will be any good. Just sit back and let the feeding frenzy commence every time we skip a pick.

You sound like 80% of the idiots that call into local radio talk shows in KC, jAZ. It really is like the fans of this team have been programmed to just play it safe and not take chances.

This team needs a quarterback, period. We NEED to have our OWN quarterback. We have now gone through two and a half full decades of trying to win with some other teams' castoffs, and what has it gotten us? Three playoff wins in twenty five years of trying it with "proven vets". If Joe ****ing Montana couldn't put us over the hump, what in the name of all that is holy would make you think Alex Smith can?

This team, right now, is BUILT for a Geno Smith. This kid can come in and make a difference, ESPECIALLY with Andy Reid guiding the way for him.

This is a terrible post.

My move it to trust the professionals and not take myself too seriously.

But to stay on your point, I will admit that one flaw in my approach would emerge if the professionals thought it best to skip their pick entirely. I'll say now that I would stand corrected in that case.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Bowser

So based on the bolded, we shouldn't take a chance on a quarterback in the first, in your opinion. We don't know if Joeckel is going to be worth a shit, either. Nor Star Loutelil(?), or Milliner, or Moore, or *insert name here*.

We should just miss our alotted time to pick every round becasue we just don't know if any of the guys we take will be any good. Just sit back and let the feeding frenzy commence every time we skip a pick.

You sound like 80% of the idiots that call into local radio talk shows in KC, jAZ. It really is like the fans of this team have been programmed to just play it safe and not take chances.

This team needs a quarterback, period. We NEED to have our OWN quarterback. We have now gone through two and a half full decades of trying to win with some other teams' castoffs, and what has it gotten us? Three playoff wins in twenty five years of trying it with "proven vets". If Joe ****ing Montana couldn't put us over the hump, what in the name of all that is holy would make you think Alex Smith can?

This team, right now, is BUILT for a Geno Smith. This kid can come in and make a difference, ESPECIALLY with Andy Reid guiding the way for him.

The pro GENO-AT-ALL-COSTS crowd sure is logic challenged. Saying he doesn't know if Geno is the guy or not doesn't mean that Geno shouldn't be the pick. It also doesn't mean that jAZ thinks that he should know for sure about any particular player before that player becomes worthy of the 1st pick. Every post I read from Geno fanboys seems more facepalm-worthy than the last.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by jAZ

Looking back, they had the same success. And as a result, Matt Cassel was factually a better investment even looking back.

4 playoff wins and two AFC Championship apperances say you are wrong like always.