Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

[tooge]

Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though.

I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith.

If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by tooge

Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though.

I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith.

If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.

Great post.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tooge

Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though.

I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith.

If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.

I agree with everything you've said there. I'd rather have Geno as well.

But Alex is a nice player in his own right.

As to the Geno vs. Tannehill comps - Tannehill has more upside than Geno. Tannehill could be really really good. I still think he'd have been right up there with RGIII had he been a QB for his entire college career.

He has literally every tool you could ask for in a QB, he's taken well to coaching and he's shown consistent improvement every step of the way.

If Tannehill were in the draft, I might actually take him over Geno. Tannehill's upside is immense.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I agree with everything you've said there. I'd rather have Geno as well.

But Alex is a nice player in his own right.

As to the Geno vs. Tannehill comps - Tannehill has more upside than Geno. Tannehill could be really really good. I still think he'd have been right up there with RGIII had he been a QB for his entire college career.

He has literally every tool you could ask for in a QB, he's taken well to coaching and he's shown consistent improvement every step of the way.

If Tannehill were in the draft, I might actually take him over Geno. Tannehill's upside is immense.

Jesus, the tannehill crap never dies.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Jesus, the tannehill crap never dies.

I don't see the talent

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I agree with everything you've said there. I'd rather have Geno as well.

But Alex is a nice player in his own right.

As to the Geno vs. Tannehill comps - Tannehill has more upside than Geno. Tannehill could be really really good. I still think he'd have been right up there with RGIII had he been a QB for his entire college career.

He has literally every tool you could ask for in a QB, he's taken well to coaching and he's shown consistent improvement every step of the way.

If Tannehill were in the draft, I might actually take him over Geno. Tannehill's upside is immense.

I agree with you on a great many things. This isn't one of them.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I agree with you on a great many things. This isn't one of them.

Eh, that's fine.

He may never develop enough touch to be among the best in the league. But his arm is on par with anyone this side of Stafford and Kaepernick and his athleticism is there with anybody's.

I'm not sure how anyone can say he'll never be a good decisionmaker; the kid has very little time under center and showed a lot of progress last year.

He's a massive boom/bust pick, but if the bust is what he did last year and the boom is essentially a more mobile, durable Matt Stafford, I don't see what there isn't to like about him.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Eh, that's fine.

He may never develop enough touch to be among the best in the league. But his arm is on par with anyone this side of Stafford and Kaepernick and his athleticism is there with anybody's.

I'm not sure how anyone can say he'll never be a good decisionmaker; the kid has very little time under center and showed a lot of progress next year.

He's a massive boom/bust pick, but if the bust is what he did last year and the boom is essentially a more mobile, durable Matt Stafford, I don't see what there isn't to like about him.

That's totally fair.

I kind of see him in between. Kind of like Matt Ryan. Good enough to get you there every year but not really good enough to get you over the top.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's totally fair.

I kind of see him in between. Kind of like Matt Ryan. Good enough to get you there every year but not really good enough to get you over the top.

And I don't see him ever being Matt Ryan; the physical skills are too good.

If he doesn't get over the hump, he becomes a Jay Cutler type - the guy that's always just a little too confident in his arm. He'll scramble around to stay alive, take too many hits and try to fire the ball into too many tight spaces. Suddenly he becomes an injury prone turnover machine.

Ryan's a smart QB that's merely good form a 'measurables' perspective. Tannehill owns the measurables but may never be a smart QB. That's why I see his 'middle ground' as Jay Cutler.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And I don't see him ever being Matt Ryan; the physical skills are too good.

If he doesn't get over the hump, he becomes a Jay Cutler type - the guy that's always just a little too confident in his arm. He'll scramble around to stay alive, take too many hits and try to fire the ball into too many tight spaces. Suddenly he becomes an injury prone turnover machine.

Ryan's a smart QB that's merely good form a 'measurables' perspective. Tannehill owns the measurables but may never be a smart QB. That's why I see his 'middle ground' as Jay Cutler.

To be fair to Tannehill, I don't see some of the red flags when it comes to personality that I see with Cutler. Cutler is an A#1 douche.