The case for Nick Foles

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Messier

Thank you. That's fair. I think his inaccuracy is overblown, but your opinion is understandable.

How so?

[Messier]

Originally Posted by O.city

How so?

He had good to respectable completion percentage. And then I just have to go with the two games I watch live, despite what a train wreck the Eagles were, I came away impressed. I remember being angry and jealous that Reid seem to always find a QB

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Messier

He had good to respectable completion percentage. And then I just have to go with the two games I watch live, despite what a train wreck the Eagles were, I came away impressed. I remember being angry and jealous that Reid seem to always find a QB

Thats what bothers me actually. He had Reid for a year, so IMO, thats about as good as his accuracy can get.


I just don't think a QB with accuracy problems ever comes out of that, and I'm tired of having a QB with accuracy concerns.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by O.city

Thats what bothers me actually. He had Reid for a year, so IMO, thats about as good as his accuracy can get.


I just don't think a QB with accuracy problems ever comes out of that, and I'm tired of having a QB with accuracy concerns.

You think the first seven starts of his rookie season, on a team that basically already tanked, is as good as he'll get? I hope if we draft Geno, and he struggles you don't say, well, that's what he is.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Messier

You think the first seven starts of his rookie season, on a team that basically already tanked, is as good as he'll get? I hope if we draft Geno, and he struggles you don't say, well, that's what he is.

Yeah, cause thats what I said.


Generally, guys who have accuracy problems, always have accuracy problems. It can be improved with footwork and mechanics, but not a whole lot.

He can improve in terms of his mental ability etc, but as far as accuracy, I'm not sure.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, cause thats what I said.


Generally, guys who have accuracy problems, always have accuracy problems. It can be improved with footwork and mechanics, but not a whole lot.

He can improve in terms of his mental ability etc, but as far as accuracy, I'm not sure.

And I say what a accuracy problems? A clip of him overthrowing a receiver? His CP was not bad at all.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Messier

And I say what a accuracy problems? A clip of him overthrowing a receiver? His CP was not bad at all.

Obviously you are a little biased on this, because you like Foles this much. But he had accuracy problems coming out of college and he had bad down field accuracy last year. Outside of 15 yards, his accuracy wasnt' very good.


You don't have to get so defensive on the matter. I watched alot of him coming out last year, cause I thought he Chiefs might draft him.

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by O.city

How so?

He's young enough maybe he can be developed. I don't see it but it isn't completely out of the question.

He just to me looks like another prototypical size and strength guy that in reality can't play. But he's also only 24 so we'll see.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by warpaint*

He's young enough maybe he can be developed. I don't see it but it isn't completely out of the question.

He just to me looks like another prototypical size and strength guy that in reality can't play. But he's also only 24 so we'll see.

His biggest problem is with his accuracy. That's either something you have or don't.

I don't see him getting a whole lot better.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

His biggest problem is with his accuracy. That's either something you have or don't.

I don't see him getting a whole lot better.

Back to defending Foles. He was 15th in the NFL in CP, on a crappy team with a crappy line. I think he can improve on that without a doubt.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Messier

Back to defending Foles. He was 15th in the NFL in CP, on a crappy team with a crappy line. I think he can improve on that without a doubt.

How does he get more accurate? Guys improve on that alot?

[B14ckmon]

Originally Posted by O.city

How does he get more accurate? Guys improve on that alot?

Accuracy is one of the more fixable aspects of a QB. Because it's using something with their motion that needs to be tweaked.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

Accuracy is one of the more fixable aspects of a QB. Because it's using something with their motion that needs to be tweaked.

Thats just wrong. Muscle memory isn't an easy thing to fix at all. Sorry, but again thats wrong.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

Accuracy is one of the more fixable aspects of a QB. Because it's using something with their motion that needs to be tweaked.

This is a completely inaccurate statement, but that's par for the course for you.

Accuracy can be refined and improved slightly, but if you don't have the muscle-memory to perfectly replicate your throwing motion every time, you're not going to be an accurate passer.

Watch the Drew Brees sports science and you'll see what I mean. Every single time Drew Brees throws the football, his arm does the exact same thing. Meanwhile a guy like Foles does not. His muscle memory isn't that precise. Moreover, even if you do dink with his mechanics, as soon as the shit hits the fan his body will revert back to what it was originally trained to do and he'll end up going to his old mechanics under pressure and turning the ball over.

Accuracy is the single most difficult thing to find in a quarterback and it's the the most important innate skill for them to have. Decisionmaking can be taught and pocket awareness can be schemed around. If a quarterback isn't accurate, there's nothing you can do to hide it and there's little you can do to fix it.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by B14ckmon

Accuracy is one of the more fixable aspects of a QB. Because it's using something with their motion that needs to be tweaked.

That's dumb.

Accuracy and arm strength are two things that for the most part you are born with or you aren't.