Poilian says no QB worthy of #1. Chiefs can find one later

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We'll have to see.

EJ Manuel is the closest thing to Donovan McNabb in this draft though. Very similar indeed.

Raw player with running ability, but better size and accuracy than McNabb. Hell their stats are also extremely similar.

Definitely think he's in the mix.

Accuracy is terrible IMO. And if you don't like Geno for the flaws you say he has, Manuel has similar flaws and is worse.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Accuracy is terrible IMO. And if you don't like Geno for the flaws you say he has, Manuel has similar flaws and is worse.

Geno is definitely the better thrower. His mechanics are far better.

I'm just saying that I really do believe EJ Manuel will be in the mix. The kid has potential and Reid is good at making QB's look so much better. Manuel is very raw, but so was Donovan.

If we did draft Manuel, then I see Reid using a very similar offense that Ratty used with RG3 last year.
That's Manuel's best fit IMO. Plus he won't break because he actually has the body to take hits unlike RG3.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Geno is definitely the better thrower. His mechanics are far better.

I'm just saying that I really do believe EJ Manuel will be in the mix. The kid has potential and Reid is good at making QB's look so much better. Manuel is very raw, but so was Donovan.

If we did draft Manuel, then I see Reid using a very similar offense that Ratty used with RG3 last year.
That's Manuel's best fit IMO. Plus he won't break because he actually has the body to take hits unlike RG3.

Donovan had accuracy issues coming out because he liked to throw the ball deep.

Manuel struggles to complete short passes. His offense was largely dink and dunk and he STILL wasn't very good.

He'll NEVER be RG3. So you can put that to bed right now.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Donovan had accuracy issues coming out because he liked to throw the ball deep.

Manuel struggles to complete short passes. His offense was largely dink and dunk and he STILL wasn't very good.

He'll NEVER be RG3. So you can put that to bed right now.

According to secondroundstats, Manuel's short and intermediate passes were actually very good. He was very accurate in that area. He struggled going 20+ yards though.

Manuel will never be RG3 and I'm sorry if it seemed like I was saying he was.

I just think the style of offense that Ratty ran last year with RG3 would be the best fit for Manuel.
I really do believe Manuel could excel in that type of offense.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

According to secondroundstats, Manuel's short and intermediate passes were actually very good. He was very accurate in that area. He struggled going 20+ yards though.

Manuel will never be RG3 and I'm sorry if it seemed like I was saying he was.

I just think the style of offense that Ratty ran last year with RG3 would be the best fit for Manuel.
I really do believe Manuel could excel in that type of offense.

He may very well be, but I don't see Reid running that offense here.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

According to secondroundstats, Manuel's short and intermediate passes were actually very good. He was very accurate in that area. He struggled going 20+ yards though.

Manuel will never be RG3 and I'm sorry if it seemed like I was saying he was.

I just think the style of offense that Ratty ran last year with RG3 would be the best fit for Manuel.
I really do believe Manuel could excel in that type of offense.

Except there are deep throws in that offense that Manuel can't make.

And while I didn't see Manuel play in every game this season, I saw probably 6 or 7. He was pretty bad.

[RunKC]

Manuel completed 73% of his passes in the 11-20 yard range. Only RG3 had better accuracy in that range in the last two classes.

His 6-10 yard accuracy was the best of any QB in the last two classes as well. Better than Luck, RG3 and Wilson.

http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/...outing-report/

He's very good throwing the short and intermediate balls.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Manuel completed 73% of his passes in the 11-20 yard range. Only RG3 had better accuracy in that range in the last two classes.

His 6-10 yard accuracy was the best of any QB in the last two classes as well. Better than Luck, RG3 and Wilson.

http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/...outing-report/

He's very good throwing the short and intermediate balls.

If you read that report, it's kind of a mirage.


He didn’t throw deep very often. Between the 11-20 and 20+ yard zones, Manuel only threw past 10 yards 26% of the time. This ties Matt Barkley for the lowest in the last two classes.
Most of that was a factor of him not going to the 11-20 zone often. He was actually close to average in how often he threw 20+ yards, but threw in the intermediate zone 10% of the time less than the AvgQB.
EJ threw within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage 52% of the time. Again this ties Matt Barkley for the highest within these zones in the last two classes. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but we have to check out his accuracy to ensure those aren’t the only locations he can throw.



This is where it gets interesting. Manuel completed 73.33% of his passes in the 11-20 yard range. This would be the second highest in the last two classes behind RGIII. However, as we saw above, he hardly ever threw there. Does this make it a fluke or was Jimbo Fisher’s offense keeping him from reaching his full potential?
However, when he had to throw past 20 yards, his completion percentage fell. This is what makes me think the 11-20 yard completion percentage is a bit of an anomaly. You aren’t able to throw intermediate passes extremely well and then suddenly become below-average at deeper balls. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense.
His shorter zone accuracy was quite good. He was hitting average to above average in the 1-10 yard routes, which isn’t anything to complain about. His 6-10 yard completion accuracy is the highest in the last two classes, besting Andrew Luck for the highest. If he can capitalize on that in the NFL, I guarantee an OC can find work for him.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Manuel completed 73% of his passes in the 11-20 yard range. Only RG3 had better accuracy in that range in the last two classes.

His 6-10 yard accuracy was the best of any QB in the last two classes as well. Better than Luck, RG3 and Wilson.

http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/...outing-report/

He's very good throwing the short and intermediate balls.

If you watched the games (and read that report) you'd know that he almost NEVER threw into the 6-20 zone.

Completing 25 out of 50 passes, despite only being 50%, is FAR more impactful than completing 7 out of 10 passes.

The guy struggled to move the chains.

[RunKC]

I'm not gonna act like I'm a FSU homer or anything. I've seen a few games of him, but not too many.

The basic thing I have heard from FSU fans is that the guy has all the potential in the world, but it just never came to the surface, and that's what frustrated everybody.

Sounds like they controlled him though if he is just throwing balls 5 yards down the field.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Geno is definitely the better thrower. His mechanics are far better.

I'm just saying that I really do believe EJ Manuel will be in the mix. The kid has potential and Reid is good at making QB's look so much better. Manuel is very raw, but so was Donovan.

If we did draft Manuel, then I see Reid using a very similar offense that Ratty used with RG3 last year.
That's Manuel's best fit IMO. Plus he won't break because he actually has the body to take hits unlike RG3.

The offense Ratty ran is basically the same offense he's ran forever, with a few changes, basically making it a single read offense for RGIII's first season. In reality, it wasn't a huge change to what he's always done, Rat that is.

Reid is going to run the offense he's always ran, coaches rarely change. He can simplify it yes, but it's still going to be WCO oriented.

Manuel does have alot of physical upside, but liek we've talked before, I just don't see him ever being that accurate of a passer. He is similar to McNabb in that case, that I don't see Donovan as an extremely accurate guy, but Reid got alot out of him.

But Manuel isn't really close to McNabb as a passer at this point, so we'll just ahve to disagree on that one.