* Kansas City Royals @ Philadelphia Phillies Game Thread (4/6) *

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Better arsenal? Tell me, what more does Herrera have pitch selection wise than Holland?

Upper 90s fastball that can be spotted, power changeup in the upper 80s and slow changeup in the low 80s, as well as a tight slider. Hey, maybe Holland will get it together and this is just an anomaly, I just think Herrera's better.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by Three7s

Upper 90s fastball that can be spotted, power changeup in the upper 80s and slow changeup in the low 80s, as well as a tight slider. Hey, maybe Holland will get it together and this is just an anomaly, I just think Herrera's better.

Holland has a 95 mph fastball with a power slider, +4 seamer and slow curve. Holland has the tools for a closer with the devastating slider and + fastball.

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Holland has a 95 mph fastball with a power slider, +4 seamer and slow curve. Holland has the tools for a closer with the devastating slider and + fastball.

Add shaky "confidence" to that and yep.. you have described Holland tonight.

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Add shaky "confidence" to that and yep.. you have described Holland tonight.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Add shaky "confidence" to that and yep.. you have described Holland tonight.

So you know his confidence was shaken, or was it that his control just wasn't there tonight?

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

So you know his confidence was shaken, or was it that his control just wasn't there tonight?

Looked like after ball 4 to Utley he became a thrower and not a pitcher. My best bet was his confidence in his control was shot.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Looked like after ball 4 to Utley he became a thrower and not a pitcher. My best bet was his confidence in his control was shot.

That's why he came right back and struck out the next 2 hitters? Ok

[Al Bundy]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

That's why he came right back and struck out the next 2 hitters? Ok

All throws... not pitches.

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

That's why he came right back and struck out the next 2 hitters? Ok

Hud said it himself. Domonick Brown got HIMSELF out, Holland just got lucky he was a young hitter. He did get Mayberry out, but only because he was taking all the way due to the horrid control. Then the next guy pinch hits, knowing it's gonna be a "get me over" fastball and killed it.