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Old 04-27-2013, 11:33 PM  
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we have 2"franchise" LTs
so what the **** do we do with them

train fisher and trade albert?

any bright ideas
and if Q FAQ
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:02 PM   #106
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Make them battle it out in TC and unless Fisher is noticeably inferior as a rook start him at LT. Albert gets sloppy seconds at this point.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:03 PM   #107
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once again ... the anger about Alex Smith is influencing other things.

the goal is not building a dominant line ... it's a means to a end.

best Oline for offensive success THIS year is Albert at LT.
Except I am not ANGRY about Fisher. I like the kid a TON.

I am also not ANGRY about Albert. I simply don't overvalue him. GoChiefs has two gears... LOVE or HATE.. he can't comprehend someone like me just LIKING Albert.

Lastly, I'm not angry about Alex Smith. I think it sucks that he was our only decent option this year but it is what it is. I would love a QBOTF to get drafted... but that doesn't make me dislike Smith at all. I liked him at San Fran and thought he constantly got a raw deal.

I have zero anger.. I just want to look at what is best for our FUTURE as team. Playing guys constantly out of position and shuffling shit year to year is not what's best.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:04 PM   #108
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Wish Albert would acquiesce and make the move to LG or RT.

We'd have the makings of a great OL.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:05 PM   #109
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Wish Albert would acquiesce and make the move to LG or RT.

We'd have the makings of a great OL.
We do.

Just stick Fisher at RT and Albert at LT for five years and forget about it.

None of this guard BS.

We need top talent at RT to stop Von Miller anyway.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:06 PM   #110
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Wish Albert would acquiesce and make the move to LG or RT.

We'd have the makings of a great OL.
NOT RT! I have massive doubts about his ability to play there at a high level. I COMPLETELY understand why he doesn't want to make that move. It's not just the loss of prestige and money. Switching sides is a complete bitch.

I'd much rather get a true RT and get Albert as LG.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:07 PM   #111
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Wish Albert would acquiesce and make the move to LG or RT.

We'd have the makings of a great OL.
Not going to happen. Albert will play LT and Fisher to RT. Next off season we will do this all over again. Albert will be tagged. Will attempt to trade him. But next season Fisher will move to LT and we will make that known to Albert to to take the best deal or else its RT pal.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:08 PM   #112
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We do.

Just stick Fisher at RT and Albert at LT for five years and forget about it.

None of this guard BS.

We need top talent at RT to stop Von Miller anyway.
Holy crap. You seriously want to play the #1.1 pick at RT and pay 5 years of top 5 money to an above average guy to play LT. The same guy that no one else in the league wanted to pay and give up a 2nd rounder for.

Credibility gone.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:10 PM   #113
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Not going to happen. Albert will play LT and Fisher to RT. Next off season we will do this all over again. Albert will be tagged. Will attempt to trade him. But next season Fisher will move to LT and we will make that known to Albert to to take the best deal or else its RT pal.
I am not saying that WON'T happen.. but it sure hell SHOULDN'T. You simply don;t risk ****ing up the #1.1's development by starting him out of position. Hell, play Fisher at LG if you have to but don't start him at RT for his first experience of the speed of the NFL.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:10 PM   #114
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Holy crap. You seriously want to play the #1.1 pick at RT
Well, we made this bed, so now we have to lay in it.

I'd rather go OT-RT than upgrade LG with the 1.1. Even dumber, no doubt.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:12 PM   #115
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once again ... the anger about Alex Smith is influencing other things.

the goal is not building a dominant line ... it's a means to a end.

best Oline for offensive success THIS year is Albert at LT.
This isn't anger at the Smith trade.

I am not speculating what the Chiefs will do.

I am commenting on what I believe is the best way to go about building a consistent winner over the long term.

Since I have little faith that Alex Smith is the long term answer at QB, I don't care how the long term development of the line affects Alex Smith.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:12 PM   #116
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Well, we made this bed, so now we have to lay in it.

I'd rather go OT-RT than upgrade LG with the 1.1. Even dumber, no doubt.
So it sounds more like you are basing this on some emotional hatred of the Fisher pick and man-love for Albert. I, on the other hand, am trying to look at what is best for the team.
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Old 04-28-2013, 02:13 PM   #117
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Albert starts at LT
Fisher starts at RT

If Albert gets hurt again then Fisher slides over to LT and Stephenson fills in at RT.

Albert loses his leverage and his big contract ... probably ends up at guard with another team next year.
Who says Fisher is going to beat out Stephenson? Who says Albert is going to beat out Stephenson?

I'm telling you right here that Stephenson was going to be in the conversation as the first tackle off the board in the 2013 Draft if he stayed in school. He was markedly better than Lane Johnson on the same team and he's already got better feet than Albert.

His combine numbers, especially his burst numbers, were absolutely sick.

6'6"
35" Arms
312 lbs.

40: 4.94 seconds
Vertical: 35.5"
Broad Jump: 114"
3 Cone: 7.52 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.78 seconds

compared to Eric Fisher:

6'7"
34 1/2" Arms
308 lbs.

40: 5.05 seconds
Vertical: 28.5"
Broad Jump: 116"
3 Cone: 7.59 seconds
20 yard shuttle: 4.44 seconds

Stephenson is an athletic freak for a man his size, even moreso than Fisher, and he's got very, very good footwork.

Considering that Stephenson was thrown into a game situation with zero reps with the first team, I think he performed quite well last season. He showed good movement and a very good first punch. He's got a very good kick step as well. (Something Branden Albert has never had.)

I know that the immediate knee-jerk reaction around here is that if a guy wasn't drafted in the first round it means he isn't going to amount to shit, but Stephenson would have definitely been a first rounder this draft if he stayed in school and could have gone before Fisher or Joeckel.

I've already said it, but Stephenson is going to blow up this year.
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I could care less where they put him this year if it means we can develop a truly nasty "**** you" offensive line, especially in Reid's system. I'm not above moving the number one overall pick around if opens up the screen game. He'll be the left tackle for the next ten years anyways.
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And let's be clear here.

There is no one that has advocated as strongly as I have for Albert at LT.

If I am suggesting that the long term future of this team is served best by moving him to LG, then there can be no better proof that I've moved on from anger to just doing what I believe best serves the team's future.
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So it sounds more like you are basing this on some emotional hatred of the Fisher pick and man-love for Albert. I, on the other hand, am trying to look at what is best for the team.
I hate the Fisher pick, but the reality is he is here.

We need to use that resource to improve the team.

The best way to do that is to have bookend tackles.

**** this guard bullshit.
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