Scott Wright Savages the Chiefs

['Hamas' Jenkins]

From his draft breakdown when discussing the selection of EJ Manuel:

I will rarely criticize a team for at least trying when it comes to quarterbacks. I would much rather take a flyer on Manuel and his potential than waste time with also-rans such as Alex Smith and Carson Palmer. Teams like the Chiefs and Cardinals are just treading water and delaying the inevitable. Assuming of course that the ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

The QB class sucked as prospects. This was being said for months. The GMs around the league clearly believed that, because QBs went very late in this draft, not early. Hell, when a team did pick a QB (Manuel), this board mocked them for taking the player.

If it's all about just trying to get the QB, the Jets would be rolling in Super Bowls. They haven't won shit since Namath, but they've drafted Todd, O'Brien, Pennington, Sanchez and Hobart (supplemental, never played for them) in the first round, along with Clemens, Nagle and Woodall in the second. For all the crying around here about not taking QBs in the first, KC has won a Super Bowl more recently than that dumpster fire of a team.

QB is important. Hell, it's critical. But pissing away picks on players you don't believe in is just bad management.

They had 10 playoff appearances with those picks, but that's not even the argument (not to mention the league has changed dramatically... it's so much more about the QB these days). The argument isn't "drafting QBs early guarantees playoff/SB success"... it's that (again, these days) having an elite QB is pretty much a prerequisite for playoff success.

Yes, the draft is kind of a crapshoot, first round draft picks fail, and proven QBs fail. You're arguing that drafting a QB in the early rounds doesn't guarantee success, which is true, while we're arguing that not concentrating on the QB position pretty much guarantees failure, which is also true.

Yes, the Jets and Chiefs have failed in different ways, but the Jets will one day find the right QB who can take them deep into the playoffs, while the Chiefs will be drafting OTs and signing retread QBs and wondering why they can't get beyond 10-6 seasons and maybe a single playoff win for any given season.

[AdumbGuy]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You obviously don't understand it perfectly, since you're citing Jay Cutler, and since you're claiming a 1:1 ratio which is nowhere near accurate. If you could understand the point you woudn't be making such stupid ****ing arguments. You don't piss away high picks on players you don't have faith in. For ****'s sake, people here railed about them not taking Sanchez, time has proven that decision to be 100% the right one, and people like you are still making the same stupid ****ing argument that amounts to nothing more than "You've got to take a QB because you haven't taken one in a while".

The decision not to take buttfumble was actually the wrong one. Last I checked, we were 2-14 last year. As shitty as buttfumble is/was, we were ****ing 2-14 last year!

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

Screw Scott Wright you've got a franchise Right Tackle!!!

We look like a bunch of Canadians.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by SNR

Tyson Jackson or Mark Sanchez + the 34th overall pick in the 2009 draft?

Which would you choose?

Neither. I thought the pick would be Raji. I'd Choose Raji over Sanchez + 34th pick, because I didn't like Sanchez from the beginning.

In 2009, 12 QBs were taken in the draft. Stafford, taken ahead of the Chiefs, wasn't an option. Sanchez has been a washout. That leaves Josh Freeman as the only other alternative. He had a great second season, but he's mostly been dogshit. Those were the choices in 2009.

2013 didn't have a Stafford at the top. That's the problem for the Chiefs. The two recent years where they were at, or near, the top of the draft were two years without the QB prospects available. Maybe Smith pans out. Hell, maybe Bray pans out. No matter what, though, as prospects, they scared teams away from them in the first round.

Was it Tebow, McCoy or Clausen that you were demanding the Chiefs take instead of Berry in the first round of the 2010 draft? Which of the 13 drafted QBs not named Bradford were you thinking was going to be the franchise QB from that year?

Originally Posted by SNR

Also, when did I claim a 1:1 ratio?

"for every... there's a". You did it twice.

Originally Posted by SNR

Quit interpreting shit so literally.

Don't make stupid claims.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by beer bacon

We look like a bunch of Canadians.

It does look like a scene from an Adam Sandler movie...

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

They had 10 playoff appearances with those picks, but that's not even the argument (not to mention the league has changed dramatically... it's so much more about the QB these days). The argument isn't "drafting QBs early guarantees playoff/SB success"... it's that (again, these days) having an elite QB is pretty much a prerequisite for playoff success.

If you want to argue that having an elite, or at least a high end, QB is very important to being a true and consistent contender, I'm 100% in agreement with that.

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yes, the draft is kind of a crapshoot, first round draft picks fail, and proven QBs fail. You're arguing that drafting a QB in the early rounds doesn't guarantee success, which is true, while we're arguing that not concentrating on the QB position pretty much guarantees failure, which is also true.

But that's not what people like SNR are arguing. They are arguing that you need to draft the QB in round one (but only if it's a QB that they actually like).

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yes, the Jets and Chiefs have failed in different ways, but the Jets will one day find the right QB who can take them deep into the playoffs, while the Chiefs will be drafting OTs and signing retread QBs and wondering why they can't get beyond 10-6 seasons and maybe a single playoff win for any given season.

It takes more than just a QB, and even a stiff like Rex Grossman (First round pick!) can get a team to the Super Bowl if you put a good enough team around them.

I feel bad for a lot of Chiefs fans. They'd have a pair of really crappy seasons in the wrong years. Taking crappy QBs just so you can say you took a QB isn't the solution.

[jettio]

Originally Posted by SNR

"The Buffalo Bills gave a huge contract to Ryan Fitzpatrick. They don't know QBs."

God, the excuses in this thread. People don't realize that once you actually HIT on a QB, unless the surrounding team is complete garbage, your team no longer sucks ass.

People may as well be saying:

"The Ravens reached on Joe Flacco? Yeah, that's because they're shit with QBs."

"The Redskins gave up that much for RGIII? Yeah, that's because they're shit with QBs."

"The Dolphins reached on Tannehill?"

Etc.

The Chiefs will always be one of those teams who is shit with QBs until they grow a pair and draft one.

The 49ers drafted Alex Smith as 1st overall and he only lost his job to a superstud that is Colin Kaepernick.

It is ridiculous to think that it matters who drafted the highly rated QB.

I can't believe how widespread this stupid idea is, that there is some tremendous satisfaction in drafting a 1st round QB and watching him grow.

Granted, you can look back on some prior drafts and compare who the Chiefs picked to which available QBs they did not draft and be a little frustated, but it would be awful darn stooopid for Dorsey and Reid to draft a QB this year just to make the crowd that thinks like you happy.

This is their first year with the Chiefs, they should not take a flyer on a QB they do not believe in, just because you asked to tooth fairy to bring you a first round QB.

And that goes to all of the other posters who have been on this ridiculous campaign to draft a QB for the sake of it.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Don't make stupid claims.

You're full of shit. You know damn well I didn't mean that.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Was it Tebow, McCoy or Clausen that you were demanding the Chiefs take instead of Berry in the first round of the 2010 draft? Which of the 13 drafted QBs not named Bradford were you thinking was going to be the franchise QB from that year?

None of them. Berry was the player I wanted at #5.

I did like Jimmy Clausen, though, and really wanted him at the top of the 2nd round when he fell.

Also, it's hilarious that Sam Bradford is supposedly worth the #1 overall pick. I was pretty sour on him, and probably would have taken Berry even if Bradford fell to #5.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by SNR

You're full of shit. You know damn well I didn't mean that.

You said it and repeated it. I just responded to it, appropriately. If someone here is full of shit, it's you.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by SNR

None of them. Berry was the player I wanted at #5.

I did like Jimmy Clausen, though, and really wanted him at the top of the 2nd round when he fell.

They haven't taken a first round QB in decades. They should have taken Tebow/McCoy/Clausen according to your logic. That you were calling for Berry and not one of them shows that you're really just a hypocrite on this subject.

[keg in kc]

Forget about the first round at this point. How about drafting a QB in any round? Ricky Stanzi in the 5th in 2011, Brodie Croyle in the 3rd in 2006, James Killian in the 7th in 2005, Pat Barnes in the 4th in 1997, Steve Stenstrom in the 4th in 1995 and Steve Matthews in the 7th in 1994. That's every QB this team has drafted for 20 years. SIX. In 20 years. And nothing above the 3rd round.

No wonder people seem gleeful about Tyler Bray. The people who want to try get a talented if immature prospect and the penny-pinchers brain-washed by the franchise into thinking bargains are the way to go are happy cause the Chiefs don't have to spend anything on him.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

It takes more than just a QB, and even a stiff like Rex Grossman (First round pick!) can get a team to the Super Bowl if you put a good enough team around them.

I feel bad for a lot of Chiefs fans. They'd have a pair of really crappy seasons in the wrong years. Taking crappy QBs just so you can say you took a QB isn't the solution.

Sure, but it's like trying to win a Stanley Cup without good goaltending and defense... it happens, but you have to be truly elite in another phase of the game... like the Bears were on defense. You can hide a bad offensive line with one guy (Aaron Rodgers, for starters), you can hide an entire defense with (practically) one guy in the right system... if you want to hide one bad QB, you better make up for it with your entire defense or several offensive positions.

And for the few guys you mentioned, there were several more passed up in the first few rounds... sure, a lot of teams struck out. Elite QBs don't grow on trees... but if you expand your list to include the first 3 rounds, there are some pretty good QBs that were passed up. I'm not arguing your point vs SNR as far as first round QBs, just reiterating the point that it would be nice if they tried something beyond retread and #100+ picks (too bad Croyle didn't work out... he was their one shot at greatness ).

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

They haven't taken a first round QB in decades. They should have taken Tebow/McCoy/Clausen according to your logic. That you were calling for Berry and not one of them shows that you're really just a hypocrite on this subject.

No, ****face. Taking a QB just to take a QB is NOT what people have been saying.

The deal with Geno Smith was a ton of posters on this forum (very high quality and knowledgeable posters) liked the player. They thought he was pretty good and worth a first round pick, but given the lack of Calvin Johnsons, Ndamukong Suhs, or even Jadeveon Clowneys, the Chiefs should probably go ahead and take the QB instead of wallowing in a logjam at LT. When the Chiefs made the Alex Smith trade, they liked Geno even MORE given that he could sit for a year and come in when he was ready.

They evaluated Geno Smith THE PLAYER. Not just as some QB. And given the needs of the Kansas City Chiefs (which had nothing to do with history but more with the shit crap of low-quality non QBs at the top of the 2013 draft) they decided he should be the pick.

Did you see an Eric Berry in 2013?

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by jettio

The 49ers drafted Alex Smith as 1st overall and he only lost his job to a superstud that is Colin Kaepernick.

It is ridiculous to think that it matters who drafted the highly rated QB.

I can't believe how widespread this stupid idea is, that there is some tremendous satisfaction in drafting a 1st round QB and watching him grow.

Granted, you can look back on some prior drafts and compare who the Chiefs picked to which available QBs they did not draft and be a little frustated, but it would be awful darn stooopid for Dorsey and Reid to draft a QB this year just to make the crowd that thinks like you happy.

This is their first year with the Chiefs, they should not take a flyer on a QB they do not believe in, just because you asked to tooth fairy to bring you a first round QB.

And that goes to all of the other posters who have been on this ridiculous campaign to draft a QB for the sake of it.

Hate to say it, I was one of those guys. I think it's just frustration over never drafting a QB. But when Geno went into the abyss, I decided that hey, you know what? I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Now, I'm just gonna sit back and let this play out. Dorsey and Reid deserve the chance to fail...I'll give it too them. I of course hope that they do not...