NFL Draft Why Geno Smith fell in the draft - Page 18

tk13 · 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group – his agents included – were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches … he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

NO! You have no idea that there "wasn't a good one to draft". Once the 2015 season is over than you MIGHT be able to say "There wasn't a good QB in the 2013 class".

I guess it depends on if you believe in history or not. I guess it depends on if you think Tom Brady and QBs like that happen all the time. They don't happen very often. I see that trend continuing to happen.

You have no idea if there is a good one either.

tooge · 05-02-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

NO! You have no idea that there "wasn't a good one to draft". Once the 2015 season is over than you MIGHT be able to say "There wasn't a good QB in the 2013 class".

and you MIGHT be able to say there was

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2013, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

That's fine, but I disagree and the odds are in my favor. You may end up being correct though.

I believe that if you looked at the past numbers of QBs and success even mediocre success. These guys and where they were drafted with such a need for QBs and then to have QB gurus Bruce Arians, Andy Reid and others pass on these players over and over.

Messier · 05-02-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

NO! You have no idea that there "wasn't a good one to draft". Once the 2015 season is over than you MIGHT be able to say "There wasn't a good QB in the 2013 class".

Right now, no one knows what will happen with the QBs. Judging by what most teams did in the draft, they feel there isn't a special QB available. This might even be one of those years where the best QB was taken late or not at all. Heck, I give Matt Scott must about as much chance to hit as Geno Smith.

Are you saying even if the QB that becomes a good starter was a late pick or undrafted , the Chiefs are stupid for not taking that QB 1.1? If so that's dumb.

Cannibal · 05-02-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Without a doubt. If your goal is a superbowl I'd rather gamble on a QB than draft a RT. Doesn't have to be Geno. Could be EJ, Barkley, Geno... etc.

Let's look at it like this.

Do you think in 3 years there will be a QB from this class that you would trade Eric Fisher for?

Wow.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2013, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

He would have been better off not paying the equivalent of a 1st round pick for Alex Smith. Then he could have taken a guy like Geno in the 2nd. Flynn, Kolb, and Palmer could have been had for next to nothing to be a stop gap for a rookie this year and probably offer more than AS in potential. It's a much better attempt to win a SB than trading a 1st for AS and than hoping someday a QB falls to you in the draft.

Carl Peterson gave up a 1st for a guy that took us to the AFC title game and a 1st for a guy that QB'd one of the elite offenses in the NFL for 3-4 years. Dorsey gave up a 1st for a guy with 3-300 yard passing games in 80 career games.

The addressing of the QB position has been horrible.

We are giving up a 2cd and a 3rd at best for Alex not 2 2cds unless we go deep in the playoffs and Smith has an amazing year. The way lots of people on here talk they must think Alex Smith is going to have a great year since everyone is already giving up that 2cd instead of the 3rd for the play that Alex is probably going to provide.

Mr_Tomahawk · 05-02-2013, 08:27 AM

Can this thread be moved to a Jets forum...?

BigCatDaddy · 05-02-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Right now, no one knows what will happen with the QBs. Judging by what most teams did in the draft, they feel there isn't a special QB available. This might even be one of those years where the best QB was taken late or not at all. Heck, I give Matt Scott must about as much chance to hit as Geno Smith.

Are you saying even if the QB that becomes a good starter was a late pick or undrafted , the Chiefs are stupid for not taking that QB 1.1? If so that's dumb.

No. I'm saying given the current QB situation they are dumb for at least not throwing a dart at it. They could have had their pick of every QB except Geno and EJ in the 3rd twice and passed. If EJ or Geno hit than they are dumb for not taking them #1, of if any of the 4th round crop hits than they are dumb for not taking them in the 3rd or 4th. We have MAJOR question marks at the QB position.

BigCatDaddy · 05-02-2013, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

We are giving up a 2cd and a 3rd at best for Alex not 2 2cds unless we go deep in the playoffs and Smith has an amazing year. The way lots of people on here talk they must think Alex Smith is going to have a great year since everyone is already giving up that 2cd instead of the 3rd for the play that Alex is probably going to provide.

The 2nd pick in the 2nd round and a 3rd next year = a late 1st.

BigCatDaddy · 05-02-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge

and you MIGHT be able to say there was

Correct, but that's why they are paid millions of dollars a year. To get it right, so I don't want to hear "Well QB A wasn't projected to go that high or do that well" as an excuse if one of these QB's become good.

tooge · 05-02-2013, 08:32 AM

agreed, so lets stop talking about this years QB class until a couple of years go by. We could look back at the dirty Sanchez draft and quite a few people would look like morons.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2013, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

No. I'm saying given the current QB situation they are dumb for at least not throwing a dart at it. They could have had their pick of every QB except Geno and EJ in the 3rd twice and passed. If EJ or Geno hit than they are dumb for not taking them #1, of if any of the 4th round crop hits than they are dumb for not taking them in the 3rd or 4th. We have MAJOR question marks at the QB position.

So with your ifs in there you are already trying to use hindsight about what might happen with these players.
That has nothing to do with the moment you are making the decision.
If you are more worried about a mistake then you won't make a correct decision.

BigCatDaddy · 05-02-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tooge

agreed, so lets stop talking about this years QB class until a couple of years go by. We could look back at the dirty Sanchez draft and quite a few people would look like morons.

I agree, unless of the rooks ends up looking like Wilson or RG3 than it's open game.

Messier · 05-02-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

No. I'm saying given the current QB situation they are dumb for at least not throwing a dart at it. They could have had their pick of every QB except Geno and EJ in the 3rd twice and passed. If EJ or Geno hit than they are dumb for not taking them #1, of if any of the 4th round crop hits than they are dumb for not taking them in the 3rd or 4th. We have MAJOR question marks at the QB position.

You believe this because you hate Alex Smith. I think he will be better than Geno or Manuel, or Barkley, at least in the short term, maybe always.

At the first pick in round two, I feel there was no QB that will be better than Alex Smith.

You want a team with major question marks at QB. The New York Jets.

Chief Roundup · 05-02-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Correct, but that's why they are paid millions of dollars a year. To get it right, so I don't want to hear "Well QB A wasn't projected to go that high or do that well" as an excuse if one of these QB's become good.

By that notion a GM couldn't say well that player was projected to be that good and go that high when that player fails.

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