Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 244

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Kidd Lex · 05-05-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shogun

Love the trade, Myers may or may not work out. Davis,Johnson,Shields are helping us win now. Go Royals.

Ill say this much, I underestimated Shields clubhouse presence.

**alnorth** · 05-05-2013, 09:06 PM

I don't know if I've gotten to the point where I'd say I would not undo the trade yet, but Wil's 102 AB so far this season is a data point in favor of the trade. Yeah its a fraction of a minor league season, but his power has fallen off and he's striking out at a higher rate than ever now.

**Saul Good** · 05-05-2013, 09:08 PM

To me, the trade seems to be a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. This team has a swagger. They fight for 27 outs. The starters grind when they don't have it, and they dominate when they do. The middle relievers shorten the games. The closer(s) slam the door. Even the long relievers keep us in games.

Our hitters are spoiling tough two strike pitches, shooting outside pitches the other way, and generally go to the plate with a plan every time.

Maybe I'm giving Shields too much credit, and he isn't solely responsible for all of it, but the trade signifies a change in attitude/expectations, and Shields seems to have the perfect mentality for this team.

tk13 · 05-05-2013, 09:18 PM

If Odorizzi makes it good for him. I don't think I'd regret the trade because of him. It's Myers that will make it look stupid. Although as mentioned his numbers aren't quite as dominant in AAA so far. Maybe he's finally getting bored with playing down there.

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Coach · 05-05-2013, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

Ill say this much, I underestimated Shields clubhouse presence.

tk13 · 05-05-2013, 09:21 PM

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duncan_idaho · 05-05-2013, 09:33 PM

I was initially not happy with the trade (largely because of the extra pieces and my initial underestimation of Wade Davis' value vs. Odorizzi and the extra pieces).

I changed my mind after a little bit of time (and after evaluating some of the concerns about Wil Myers). I think the first post in this thread is about that, actually.

KC still needs to make the playoffs either this year or next OR get better production from Davis in the rotation over the course of that contract than the Rays get from Odorizzi. If they don't make the playoffs and Davis doesn't work out as a starter, the trade fails.

I still think Myers is an all-star level guy in MLB, but I'm pretty convinced at this point he is more a righthanded Jay Bruce than Ryan Braun light.

My feelings about Utley are clear. Make it happen!

Hootie · 05-05-2013, 09:38 PM

so what if the Royals shocked the world and won a World Series this year?

how many years of futility would you accept for 1 WS ring?

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1899692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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05-05-2013, 09:06 PM	#3647
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	I don't know if I've gotten to the point where I'd say I would not undo the trade yet, but Wil's 102 AB so far this season is a data point in favor of the trade. Yeah its a fraction of a minor league season, but his power has fallen off and he's striking out at a higher rate than ever now. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	To me, the trade seems to be a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. This team has a swagger. They fight for 27 outs. The starters grind when they don't have it, and they dominate when they do. The middle relievers shorten the games. The closer(s) slam the door. Even the long relievers keep us in games. Our hitters are spoiling tough two strike pitches, shooting outside pitches the other way, and generally go to the plate with a plan every time. Maybe I'm giving Shields too much credit, and he isn't solely responsible for all of it, but the trade signifies a change in attitude/expectations, and Shields seems to have the perfect mentality for this team. __________________ Today is not a good day to be a pussy.
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05-05-2013, 09:18 PM	#3649
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1667500	If Odorizzi makes it good for him. I don't think I'd regret the trade because of him. It's Myers that will make it look stupid. Although as mentioned his numbers aren't quite as dominant in AAA so far. Maybe he's finally getting bored with playing down there.
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05-05-2013, 09:33 PM	#3659
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1899692	I was initially not happy with the trade (largely because of the extra pieces and my initial underestimation of Wade Davis' value vs. Odorizzi and the extra pieces). I changed my mind after a little bit of time (and after evaluating some of the concerns about Wil Myers). I think the first post in this thread is about that, actually. KC still needs to make the playoffs either this year or next OR get better production from Davis in the rotation over the course of that contract than the Rays get from Odorizzi. If they don't make the playoffs and Davis doesn't work out as a starter, the trade fails. I still think Myers is an all-star level guy in MLB, but I'm pretty convinced at this point he is more a righthanded Jay Bruce than Ryan Braun light. My feelings about Utley are clear. Make it happen! __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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05-05-2013, 09:38 PM	#3660
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	so what if the Royals shocked the world and won a World Series this year? how many years of futility would you accept for 1 WS ring?
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