Ned Yost Hate Thread

[MrGiggity]

This guy is a dickless pussy, and yes I know that is sort of an oxy moron. And yes Ned Yost deserves his own hate thread. This guy is clueless as f*** and George Bush is more suited to be a manager then him. F*** Ned Yost. Right in his ass.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

If you combine all of that, you might come up with a fraction of an expected loss.

Whatever, man. I am not saying it's all on Yost but a good chunk is.

This team continues to act like little kids, play with their head up their and ass Yost just keeps being Yost.

He has done nothing to send a message to anyone. Every decision he has made seems to come back to haunt him and the team.

We were ****ing 17-13 when he decided to move Gordon, for whatever reason. We have won 4 games since.

17 with him the leadoff
4 since he has moved

Some will argue that's an irrelevant move and I will call BS flat out on it. Escobar was hitting good behind Gordon and ahead of Butler. Now he has gone to pot.

In other words at the first sign of a losing streak longer than 2 games, Yost became the "Nervous Ned" we all heard about and ****ed with what wasn't broken, for the most part.

Just like how he pulled Shields when he really had no reason too.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Fairplay

Regardless Yost is still their leader and has to guide them.

Guide them in what way? You aren't introducing a new offensive and defensive scheme and drilling for months on it. Everyone in baseball plays the game in pretty much the same way, except maybe the Rays with their aggressive defensive shifting.

He needs to do a little more than roll the baseballs and fungo bats out and tell them to play, but not much more.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I disagree with the most fundamental assumption that you are making here: that they are poor young lost kids who need some sort of fatherly guidance and motivation to perform.

They are F'ing grown-ass men. They aren't 12 years old. This also isn't football where screaming and knocking helmets together may fire you up to more effort, baseball is a "cool" sport, in that being too "fired up" can actually be counter-productive and cause you to fail.

Ok, you say they're grown ass men? They are acting like children, giving their little hand-signals after squeezing out every little infield single. Ned just sits back and lets it happen.

He isn't treating them like grown men, imo.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Guide them in what way? You aren't introducing a new offensive and defensive scheme and drilling for months on it. Everyone in baseball plays the game in pretty much the same way, except maybe the Rays with their aggressive defensive shifting.

He needs to do a little more than roll the baseballs and fungo bats out and tell them to play, but not much more.

BS, alnorth and you know that.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Whatever, man. I am not saying it's all on Yost but a good chunk is.

This team continues to act like little kids, play with their head up their and ass Yost just keeps being Yost.

He has done nothing to send a message to anyone. Every decision he has made seems to come back to haunt him and the team.

We were ****ing 17-13 when he decided to move Gordon, for whatever reason. We have won 4 games since.

17 with him the leadoff
4 since he has moved

Some will argue that's an irrelevant move and I will call BS flat out on it. Escobar was hitting good behind Gordon and ahead of Butler. Now he has gone to pot.

In other words at the first sign of a losing streak longer than 2 games, Yost became the "Nervous Ned" we all heard about and ****ed with what wasn't broken, for the most part.

Just like how he pulled Shields when he really had no reason too.

You are mainly arguing with emotion here. Moving Gordon to #3 and Getz to #1 is not irrelevant, but over the course of a couple weeks, it wont amount to even one-tenth of one expected loss.

Over the course of an entire season, the difference between a perfect lineup and the most awful lineup you could possibly constuct that no sane person would use, is about 4 or 5 losses. In an entire year. In a few weeks, the difference, at most, is less than 1 win. Our lineup is not the ideal lineup we should use, but its pretty far from the worst.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Ok, you say they're grown ass men? They are acting like children, giving their little hand-signals after squeezing out every little infield single. Ned just sits back and lets it happen.

He isn't treating them like grown men, imo.

You have got to be kidding me.

There is nothing, whatsoever, wrong with this behavior.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You are mainly arguing with emotion here. Moving Gordon to #3 and Getz to #1 is not irrelevant, but over the course of a couple weeks, it wont amount to even one-tenth of one expected loss.

Over the course of an entire season, the difference between a perfect lineup and the most awful lineup you could possibly constuct that no sane person would use, is about 4 or 5 losses. In an entire year. In a few weeks, the difference, at most, is less than 1 win. Our lineup is not the ideal lineup we should use, but its pretty far from the worst.

Righhht. It won't matter, yet it sure seems to matter.

I mean putting one of your worst hitters in the leadoff spot..nah, minimal impact......

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You have got to be kidding me.

There is nothing, whatsoever, wrong with this behavior.

, ok....if you say so.

Funny that I don't see the teams that are kicking our ass doing any of that shit.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

BS, alnorth and you know that.

I'm assuming we're excluding gameday decisions like not throwing 130 pitches, and not bunting in the 3rd inning.

Excluding that, these guys have played baseball for decades. There's not a new offensive or defensive philosophy to unlearn and relearn like in the other major sports, baseball is baseball. There's not much for the manager to do.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Righhht. It won't matter, yet it sure seems to matter.

I mean putting one of your worst hitters in the leadoff spot..nah, minimal impact......

This is called confirmation bias.

Its been proven that the numbers I quoted regarding lineups and wins are correct. "We're losing, so we need a bogeyman. We changed the lineup and started losing? There, that must explain almost all of it. We'd be 1 or 2 games back of Detroit if we kept Gordon at #1."

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

, ok....if you say so.

Funny that I don't see the teams that are kicking our ass doing any of that shit.

Those hand gestures that seem to offend you for some strange reason cause them to not hit?

Really? On what planet is this true?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I'm assuming we're excluding gameday decisions like not throwing 130 pitches, and not bunting in the 3rd inning.

Excluding that, these guys have played baseball for decades. There's not a new offensive or defensive philosophy to unlearn and relearn like in the other major sports, baseball is baseball. There's not much for the manager to do.

WTF would I be excluding game day decisions when most of what I pointed out is just that?

Batting your worst hitter, or one of your worst, in the leadoff spot? Bad
Moving the best leadoff hitter in the AL out of that spot? Bad
Pulling your stud ace in a 1-0 shutout for a weak Pen? Bad


The list goes on. Ned is not a good game manager and it costs us. Is he working with the best lineup in baseball? No

Does he have an impact on the attitude and mentality of this team? Most certainly


I mean, come on, al.....WTF sends up a guy who has never seen a ML pitch to bat as the tying run in the bottom of the 8th inning when you have a veteran on the bench who has also hit your teams' last 2 hr's???

I mean ****ing seriously!?!?!?!? That move in and of itself is a ****ing microcosm of what Yost is.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Those hand gestures that seem to offend you for some strange reason cause them to not hit?

Really? On what planet is this true?

I guess you were raising the roof with Greg Hill after his 1 yard runs too???

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by petegz28

WTF would I be excluding game day decisions when most of what I pointed out is just that?

Batting your worst hitter, or one of your worst, in the leadoff spot? Bad
Moving the best leadoff hitter in the AL out of that spot? Bad
Pulling your stud ace in a 1-0 shutout for a weak Pen? Bad

You were talking about "leadership", which is kinda vague hand-wavy nonsense to me.

If we're talking about game decisions, then we're back to, at most, a fraction of one expected loss that you can probably pin on Ned.

[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I disagree with the most fundamental assumption that you are making here: that they are poor young lost kids who need some sort of fatherly guidance and motivation to perform.

They are F'ing grown-ass men. They aren't 12 years old. This also isn't football where screaming and knocking helmets together may fire you up to more effort, baseball is a "cool" sport, in that being too "fired up" can actually be counter-productive and cause you to fail.

This isn't black-and-white. Maturity doesn't work in binary; incremental improvements are a part of life, and these guys have a tremendous weight on their shoulders. A 12-year old would buckle under that pressure, and MOST 20-somethings would, too. Major leaguers NEED guidance and reassurance, and I'm not talking about mollycoddling. They need to have a figure there that is the calming presence who can also put a fire under their ass (in private) when necessary. I know that sounds "hand-wavy", but it's true.