What if TSHTF

[R8RFAN]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You have a very simplistic and somewhat barbaric view of America.

Let America get hungry and just see how barbaric people become.

Oh the prisoners would most likely revolt and escape as well

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by R8ers

Let America get hungry and just see how barbaric people become.

Oh the prisoners would most likely revolt and escape as well

So, where was the looting when New York and New Jersey experienced a massive hurricane in 2012? Where was the looting and barbarism when it happened just a few months later with the massive snowstorm?

Your scenario is unrealistic at best and ridiculous at worse. There will never be a time in history when the electricity, plumbing and energy refuse to work simultaneously.

Unless, aliens invade and then we're all dead, anyway.

And they'll target North Carolina first.

[R8RFAN]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, where was the looting when New York and New Jersey experienced a massive hurricane in 2012? Where was the looting and barbarism when it happened just a few months later with the massive snowstorm?

Your scenario is unrealistic at best and ridiculous at worse. There will never be a time in history when the electricity, plumbing and energy refuse to work simultaneously.

Unless, aliens invade and then we're all dead, anyway.

And they'll target North Carolina first.

We are talking large scale outages not small regional acts

So you think people would act like angels while starving to death?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by R8ers

We are talking large scale outages not small regional acts
So you think people would act like angels while starving to death?

I don't think there's a chance of this even happening, ever.

Bu your scenario, humanity wouldn't even have existed before the 20th century, so it's just plain ludicrous and dumb.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, where was the looting when New York and New Jersey experienced a massive hurricane in 2012? Where was the looting and barbarism when it happened just a few months later with the massive snowstorm?

Your scenario is unrealistic at best and ridiculous at worse. There will never be a time in history when the electricity, plumbing and energy refuse to work simultaneously.

Unless, aliens invade and then we're all dead, anyway.

And they'll target North Carolina first.

You have way too much confidence in people as a whole. Our society is horribly dependent on our current infrastructure. People underestimate just how little it would take to have people killing each other over food and water. In the case of real social breakdown, it would get barbaric very quickly. The examples you used aren't really applicable to actual social collapse. That's simply disaster recovery, not social collapse. Empty the supermarkets, and cut off the supply of gasoline for a week or two, and see how long it takes before cities implode and people are clubbing each other to death over bottles of water.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Fish

You have way too much confidence in people as a whole. Our society is horribly dependent on our current infrastructure. People underestimate just how little it would take to have people killing each other over food and water. In the case of real social breakdown, it would get barbaric very quickly. The examples you used aren't really applicable to actual social collapse. That's simply disaster recovery, not social collapse. Empty the supermarkets, and cut off the supply of gasoline for a week or two, and see how long it takes before cities implode and people are clubbing each other to death over bottles of water.

I guess my reaction comes from the POV that a scenario like this is about 100,000,000,000,000,000 to one.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I guess my reaction comes from the POV that a scenario like this is about 100,000,000,000,000,000 to one.

Well I certainly hope it never happens. But I wouldn't put those kinds of odds against it. The problem is that our energy infrastructure is surprisingly fragile and susceptible. And we as a society are wholly dependent on it. I'm no prepper by any means. But I think we as a people are dangerously over confident in our social stability, and the overwhelming majority couldn't handle long term disruption of it.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by R8ers

Let America get hungry and just see how barbaric people become.

Oh the prisoners would most likely revolt and escape as well

and it wouldn't be stoic 'tough guy' barbaric

it would be some dude who stinks of crapping himself sneaking up on an old lady stealing her last can of tuna ugly

human beings are crap ... whole cities would turn into a battle ground in a couple of weeks