Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 453

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**DeezNutz** · 07-10-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

If the Royals trade Santana it shows they've given up on the season.

And they probably should. This is around a .500 team, and I think it would take an epic collapse by Detroit for the Royals to actually have a shot at things in September.

The Royals are starting to put some legit pieces in place, but '14 looks more and more like the year, not '13.

All this said, I'd still be willing to push all of our chips in for Stanton.

TambaBerry · 07-10-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And they probably should. This is around a .500 team, and I think it would take an epic collapse by Detroit for the Royals to actually have a shot at things in September.

The Royals are starting to put some legit pieces in place, but '14 looks more and more like the year, not '13.

All this said, I'd still be willing to push all of our chips in for Stanton.

Who is our Rotation next year? Shields and thats it?

Chiefspants · 07-10-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tambaberry

Who is our Rotation next year? Shields and thats it?

June's rotation could look like...

Shields
Duffy
Guthrie
Davis (Ick. Paulino is a possibility, but I'm not taking his return for granted.)
Ventura

MeatRock · 07-10-2013, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And they probably should. This is around a .500 team, and I think it would take an epic collapse by Detroit for the Royals to actually have a shot at things in September.

The Royals are starting to put some legit pieces in place, but '14 looks more and more like the year, not '13.

All this said, I'd still be willing to push all of our chips in for Stanton.

I wouldn't go all in on Stanton based on his production this year. Maybe Stanton is just sick of playing for the Marlins, I don't know. He's having a pretty bad year so far. I might trade a few prospect's excluding Ventura.

I think Ventura is going to be an ace in the future.

Demonpenz · 07-10-2013, 08:07 PM

I would love to see billy's numbers if he played the field. I think it gets real old for him just hitting.

**DeezNutz** · 07-10-2013, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatRock

I wouldn't go all in on Stanton based on his production this year. Maybe Stanton is just sick of playing for the Marlins, I don't know. He's having a pretty bad year so far. I might trade a few prospect's excluding Ventura.

I think Ventura is going to be an ace in the future.

He might be, but "pitching prospects" don't exist, and I'd gladly trade any of them, particularly when they're listed at 180 lbs.

MeatRock · 07-10-2013, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He might be, but "pitching prospects" don't exist, and I'd gladly trade any of them, particularly when they're listed at 180 lbs.

I agree pitching prospect's don't exist, but Ventura has shown plenty to be given a shot. I think he has great potential as a front of the line starter.

**DeezNutz** · 07-10-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

I agree pitching prospect's don't exist, but Ventura has shown plenty to be given a shot. I think he has great potential as a front of the line starter.

All of this is correct, and this is exactly why he has good value right now. If he can be flipped for proven, controllable ML talent, particularly a position player, I'd do it yesterday.

**petegz28** · 07-10-2013, 08:12 PM

No one ever asks Yost why Esky continues to bat in the #2 spot?

**DeezNutz** · 07-10-2013, 08:14 PM

Nope, but at least we know that Davies actually pitched well tonight. That's a relief.

MeatRock · 07-10-2013, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

All of this is correct, and this is exactly why he has good value right now. If he can be flipped for proven, controllable ML talent, particularly a position player, I'd do it yesterday.

So we should keep trotting out Davis, Chen and Mendoza next year? Who's to say Paulino and Duffy make it back ok? Hell, Santana might leave next year also. I would like to see Ventura called up soon to see what he is actually capable of in the majors.

Chiefspants · 07-10-2013, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Nope, but at least we know that Davies actually pitched well tonight. That's a relief.

Lol, I'm sure he's attempting to save face after leaving him in with the bases juiced with no outs in the sixth.

Good ol' Barnhead Ned.

Sure-Oz · 07-10-2013, 08:19 PM

Santana is as good as gone next year...

I just don't see GMDM trading anyone off this roster unless it better this team this year. He's out to save his ass....the smart thing is that the Royals won't win this division and trade Santana for a ML hitter.

I would trade the minors for Stanton

tk13 · 07-10-2013, 08:19 PM

This is where Deez and I fly off the rails in different directions. I don't know if there are pitching prospects... but most teams need to develop a pitcher or two on their own to compete. Unless you're gonna pull Dave Duncan out of the weeds and go win titles with guys like Suppan and Jeff Weaver. Of course the Royals have probably developed young pitchers worse than young hitters, which is saying something.

**DeezNutz** · 07-10-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

So we should keep trotting out Davis, Chen and Mendoza next year? Who's to say Paulino and Duffy make it back ok? Hell, Santana might leave next year also. I would like to see Ventura called up soon to see what he is actually capable of in the majors.

We're allowed to use FA and trades to acquire pitchers, too. I'd say that, statistically, the odds of Duffy being a legit starter are stronger than Ventura developing into this because there's a bit more history with the former.

Just because you want to keep Ventura doesn't mean that you have to create a false binary; advocating trading a "pitching prospect" isn't the same as advocating keeping Davies in the rotation.

Santana is a one-year deal. Trade him. Or...trade the shit out of the farm to get viable pieces now.

How much productivity have we seen from "the greatest farm system in baseball history?" Answer: not enormous amounts, which proves exactly what most prospects should be used for: trade chips.

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1899692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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