Royals vs Indians - July 12, 2013

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Chen did not pitch a hell of a game. He was lucky as hell. There's a difference.

Wrong. That's exactly how Chen pitches when he's on his game. A shitload of groundouts, popouts and flyouts.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Wrong. That's exactly how Chen pitches when he's on his game. A shitload of groundouts, popouts and flyouts.

He hung plenty of pitches that simply Cleveland did not square around on. Lucky.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by lewdog

He hung plenty of pitches that simply Cleveland did not square around on. Lucky.

He struck out alot of Indians with high inside pitches. Chen changes speeds so ****ing much that it's hard to square his shit up when he throws decent.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Wrong. That's exactly how Chen pitches when he's on his game. A shitload of groundouts, popouts and flyouts.

Chen is a junk pitcher ... it's what he does


Gura-ish

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Wrong. That's exactly how Chen pitches when he's on his game. A shitload of groundouts, popouts and flyouts.

No, Colonel Sanders, you're wrong. A guy who only gets grounders for 1/4 of his outs and only gets 4Ks is getting lucky, he's not dominating the lineup. Why do you think they were slamming bats after missing meatballs?

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, Colonel Sanders, you're wrong. A guy who only gets grounders for 1/4 of his outs and only gets 4Ks is getting lucky, he's not dominating the lineup. Why do you think they were slamming bats after missing meatballs?

I didn't say he dominated the lineup. I said that's how Chen pitches. Change speeds, get alot of flyouts and groundouts. He's not a ****ing strikeout pitcher.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

I didn't say he dominated the lineup. I said that's how Chen pitches. Change speeds, get alot of flyouts and groundouts. He's not a ****ing strikeout pitcher.

Pitchers who pitch to contact who don't induce groundballs get lucky or get crushed.

Chen was the first.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Pitchers who pitch to contact who don't induce groundballs get lucky or get crushed.

Chen was the first.

I will concede the fact that there is some luck when Chen pitches, but his pitch speed differential, pinpoint control and looping curve helps a shit ton.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

I will concede the fact that there is some luck when Chen pitches, but his pitch speed differential, pinpoint control and looping curve helps a shit ton.

There is luck when everybody pitches. The best determinant of how a pitcher executed is where they located the pitches. Once it leaves their hand the rest is up to chance.

That pitch that Crow threw to Bourn is a great example. It was a low fastball, designed to get him to chase after it, smash it into the ground and prevent the runner at third from scoring. He threw a good pitch in a good spot, but Bourn just dropped the bat head on it.

Contrastingly, Chen hung multiple breaking pitches that Indian batters just missed.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There is luck when everybody pitches. The best determinant of how a pitcher executed is where they located the pitches. Once it leaves their hand the rest is up to chance.

That pitch that Crow threw to Bourn is a great example. It was a low fastball, designed to get him to chase after it, smash it into the ground and prevent the runner at third from scoring. He threw a good pitch in a good spot, but Bourn just dropped the bat head on it.

Contrastingly, Chen hung multiple breaking pitches that Indian batters just missed.

Dude, it's common sense that there is luck involved when anyone pitches. The point that we are discussing is whether Chen is luckier than the average MLB pitcher, and i will concede that fact.