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Old 07-15-2013, 07:41 AM   #1
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So are the people that are opposed to people using PED's also opposed to people riding motorcycles? If not, why?
Opposing PEDs means you must oppose every other activity that involves personal risk? That's a pretty dumb hyperbola.
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:44 AM   #2
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Opposing PEDs means you must oppose every other activity that involves personal risk? That's a pretty dumb hyperbola.
Why? What's the difference between opposing someone who uses PED's recreationally and someone that's rides a motorcycle recreationally? Let's assume for the sake of arguement that the PED's are of the legal variety.
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:45 AM   #3
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Why? What's the difference between opposing someone who uses PED's recreationally and someone that's rides a motorcycle recreationally? Let's assume for the sake of arguement that the PED's are of the legal variety.
Closer analogy would be riding a motorcycle without a helmet.
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:47 AM   #4
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Closer analogy would be riding a motorcycle without a helmet.
No, it's not. Helmet or not you are more likely to be injured or killed on a bike than personal auto.

One person chooses to use legal PED's for rec use because they like and enjoy them and one person rides a motorcycle because they like and enjoy it. I actually believe the motorcycle is a greater risk of healthy than PED's, but for the sake of arguement let's assume they are the same. Both legal, both higher risk of injury/death than PED free/personal auto.

Again what is the difference?
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:02 AM   #5
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No, it's not. Helmet or not you are more likely to be injured or killed on a bike than personal auto.

One person chooses to use legal PED's for rec use because they like and enjoy them and one person rides a motorcycle because they like and enjoy it. I actually believe the motorcycle is a greater risk of healthy than PED's, but for the sake of arguement let's assume they are the same. Both legal, both higher risk of injury/death than PED free/personal auto.

Again what is the difference?
Oh I agree 100%.

What I meant was the same people who think this stuff should be illegal have no issue with people riding a motorcycle with no helmet which is inherently more dangerous.
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:57 AM   #6
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Why? What's the difference between opposing someone who uses PED's recreationally and someone that's rides a motorcycle recreationally? Let's assume for the sake of arguement that the PED's are of the legal variety.
LOL.. why? Because it's a reeruned and pointless comparison that serves no logical purpose. We could sit here and pose the same question regarding millions of other activities that involve some sort of personal risk. But that doesn't make the individual opinions of each comparable, simply because of a risk factor.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:00 AM   #7
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LOL.. why? Because it's a reeruned and pointless comparison that serves no logical purpose. We could sit here and pose the same question regarding millions of other activities that involve some sort of personal risk. But that doesn't make the individual opinions of each comparable, simply because of a risk factor.
So you can't tell me the difference. Thanks.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:03 AM   #8
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:04 AM   #9
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:14 AM   #10
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Why? What's the difference between opposing someone who uses PED's recreationally and someone that's rides a motorcycle recreationally? Let's assume for the sake of arguement that the PED's are of the legal variety.
It doesn't matter to me personally who uses what. But what I do oppose is misinformation, inaccurate information, and unknowns conveyed as facts.

Just as I don't want to see people spreading the idea that there will be no negative effects for steroid use, I don't want to hear anyone try to say there are no potential dangers that are unique with motorcycle use.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:17 AM   #11
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It doesn't matter to me personally who uses what. But what I do oppose is misinformation, inaccurate information, and unknowns conveyed as facts.

Just as I don't want to see people spreading the idea that there will be no negative effects for steroid use, I don't want to hear anyone try to say there are no potential dangers that are unique with motorcycle use.
I agree. In both instances you should understand what you are doing, the risk, and how to keep risk to a minimum.
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It doesn't matter to me personally who uses what. But what I do oppose is misinformation, inaccurate information, and unknowns conveyed as facts.

Just as I don't want to see people spreading the idea that there will be no negative effects for steroid use, I don't want to hear anyone try to say there are no potential dangers that are unique with motorcycle use.
There ARE risks, but those risks are mitigated or greatly minimized with responsible and informed use. I think everyone that uses agrees to that.

I think the fact that needles and injections are involved scares people.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:46 AM   #13
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There ARE risks, but those risks are mitigated or greatly minimized with responsible and informed use. I think everyone that uses agrees to that.

I think the fact that needles and injections are involved scares people.
I'm sure that everyone that uses is convinced they're responsible and informed at least...
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:51 AM   #14
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I'm sure that everyone that uses is convinced they're responsible and informed at least...
not really

some folks will just take stuff whenever

arnold used to talk about the "candy dish" full of dianabol

some guys still do that with no plan or premise

"Yo bro, you say take 10 of these a day? Ok, I'll take 15 until the bottle is empty. GET JACKED BRO."
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I'm sure that everyone that uses is convinced they're responsible and informed at least...
im sure that everyone that drives a motorcycle without a helmet is a safe and defensive driver...
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