Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 522

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Raiderhater · 07-28-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We're still talking about the Royals at the end of July. You can thank the starting pitching for that.

Maybe Myers is a stud, maybe not. If he's in right and Hoch is our staff ace again, we're on pace to lose 90-100 again.

Hoch, Chen and Myers > Shields and Davis. /DeezNutz

MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Where? He started for the royals last year. He started three out of four games for the rays this year.

might as well just leave it be now.
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Regardless, Odorizzi hasn't shown shit at the MLB level. Davis has at least shown he can pitch here. Davis has shown to be a more capable pitcher than Odorizzi.

MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 03:41 PM

Odorizzi is hot garbage.

**DeezNutz** · 07-28-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Hoch, Chen and Myers > Shields and Davis. /DeezNutz

Wow. Let's completely disregard reality.

If we didn't trade Myers for Shields, I have it on good authority that Moore was looking to bring back Kyle Davies and Scott Elarton, with the latter being the opening day starter.

Hoch was starting. Chen was starting. Wait! He still is! And we could not acquire another starter, per league rules. Forget that there were a host of options.

The math is wrong. I swear.

Prison Bitch · 07-28-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Davies and Shields are almost a wash. The numbers don't lie, so I don't need to resort to smoke when I have facts.

They've combined for 4.0 war. Your numbers apparently are lying.

**DeezNutz** · 07-28-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

They've combined for 4.0 war. Your numbers apparently are lying.

Baseball Reference. I'm not paying attention to what FanGraphs says about a starter with Davies' numbers.

**alnorth** · 07-28-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Hoch, Chen and Myers > Shields and Davis. /DeezNutz

Our 2nd and 3rd choice in the FA market + Myers > Shields and Davis so far.

Prison Bitch · 07-28-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Baseball Reference. I'm not paying attention to what FanGraphs says about a starter with Davies' numbers.

So you admit your numbers are selective. Cool.

Chris Meck · 07-28-2013, 04:19 PM

The Royals are on the edges of contention at the end of July because their pitching has been outstanding.

Shields has been outstanding. Santana has been outstanding. Guthrie's been good, hell, even Chen has been good. The bullpen's been nails mostly.

No Shields and we're not having this discussion. He brings more than just numbers.

At some point here, players like Gordon, Butler, Hosmer, and Moustakas are all going to get hot at the same time and this team can and will go on a run. Statistically speaking, Billy and Alex aren't .275 or .280 hitters. It's gonna happen. The only question is, will they be too far gone to make up the ground?

Sure-Oz · 07-28-2013, 04:22 PM

No way Moustakas gets hot the rest of this season.

He is a pile of shit at the plate with no power when he does get hits.

**DeezNutz** · 07-28-2013, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So you admit your numbers are selective. Cool.

What does common sense suggest that the value of a pitcher with a 5.50 ERA and a WHIP of 1.75 might be?

Oh, so you admit that you're not going to factor in common sense? Cool.

Archie F. Swin · 07-28-2013, 05:47 PM

The Royals record matches their pythagoraen record. That would suggest they are not getting lucky. So, would they need to get lucky to contend for a wild card?

Prison Bitch · 07-28-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What does common sense suggest that the value of a pitcher with a 5.50 ERA and a WHIP of 1.75 might be?

Oh, so you admit that you're not going to factor in common sense? Cool.

He's got a 4.29 FIP. I don't know what you want from a 4 starter in the AL. He's got a .375 babip vs. the league average of .300 and his career total of .296. He's been unlucky if anything.

MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He's got a 4.29 FIP. I don't know what you want from a 4 starter in the AL. He's got a .375 babip vs. the league average of .300 and his career total of .296. He's been unlucky if anything.

Odorizzi is better.

CoMoChief · 07-28-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

I was with you until you went full reerun and said Hosmer has ruined this teams season. Maybe you missed the last month and a half. I dunno

Maybe you missed the point about how his power sucks and it's taken him damn near 3 months to get going.

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1909692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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