Chiefs A ton of passing defense snaps, a ton of passing defense looks. - Page 2

Direckshun · 09-17-2013, 11:23 PM

I watched the 2nd half of the game tonight, and marked down the different looks Bob Sutton gave Romo every time he dropped back to pass the ball.

Forgive my shorthand:

4-3: four down lineman (Hali/Poe/Bailey/Houston), Berry playing alongside DJ
4-3: four down lineman (Jackson/Poe/DeVito/Hali), Houston rushes ,DJ holds at LOS
Base: three down lineman, eight players drop
Base: three down lineman, Hali & Houston rush
Base: three down lineman, Hali & Houston hold at LOS
Base: three down lineman, Hali rush, Houston drops four times
Base: three down lineman, Hali drops, Houston rush
Base: three down lineman, Hali rush, Houston drops, DJ holds at LOS
Base: three down lineman, Hali & Houston rush, DJ drops from the LOS at the snap
Base: three down lineman, Hali drops, Houston rush, DJ & Jordan drop from the LOS at the snap
Base: three down lineman, Hali rush, Houston drops, DJ & Jordan drop from the LOS at the snap three times
Nickel: three down lineman, Hali & Houston rush
Dime: poe + Jackson down, Hali rush, eight players drop
Dime: poe + Jackson down, Hali & Houston rush, Berry blitzes from ROLB
Dime: poe + bailey down, Hali rush, Houston holds at LOS, Berry playing alongside DJ
Dime: poe + Jackson + Hali down, Houston rush, DJ moves to blitz but peels off with RB
Dime: poe + bailey down, Hali drops, Houston rush, Berry blitzes from LB, Demps blitzes from 10 yards out
Dime: poe + Hali down, Houston drops, DJ delayed blitz, Abdullah playing at ILB, Demps blitzing from LOLB
Dime: poe + bailey down, Hali lined up as ILB, Houston rush, Berry blitzes from ROLB, Abdullah blitzes from slot
Dime: poe + Jackson down, Hali rush, Houston holds at LOS, Lewis blitzes from LOLB, DJ @ LOS at snap but drops
Dime: poe + jackson down, Hali & Houston rush, DJ moves to blitz but peels off with RB, Berry lined up right over TE
Dime: poe + bailey + Hali down, Houston rush, DJ moves to blitz but peels off with RB, Berry playing alongside DJ
Dime: poe + Bailey down, Hali drops, Houston & DJ drops from the LOS at the snap, Berry blitz from ROLB, Abdullah blitz from slot
1-3-7 alignment: only poe down, Hali rushes, Houston drops, DJ drops from the LOS at the snap, Parker & Abdullah blitz from ROLB

Pretty crazy.

That is what you call a modern, complex defense.

**Rausch** · 09-18-2013, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Big, strong and quick to the point of "wtf, how did he get by me".

You could see that in Joekel's body language when facing Houston.

**007** · 09-18-2013, 12:43 AM

I just don't want to see any more standing around right before the snap. Man that was frustrating to watch. They always seemed to recover from it but MAN!!!!

booger · 09-18-2013, 12:59 AM

Sums up a big part of the philosophy of this Defense

**Rausch** · 09-18-2013, 01:09 AM

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Sums up a big part of the philosophy of this Defense

It's so sweet to see a man willing to use this talent to attack and do it from every possible angle...

booger · 09-18-2013, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

It's so sweet to see a man willing to use this talent to attack and do it from every possible angle...

http://www.footballxos.com/download/...e-Rex-Ryan.pdf

here's the 2010 jets D. Its pretty much what they are running. Interesting reading when you have the time

**Rausch** · 09-18-2013, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by booger

http://www.footballxos.com/download/...e-Rex-Ryan.pdf

here's the 2010 jets D. Its pretty much what they are running. Interesting reading when you have the time

Other than sneaking the secondary close to the LOS and attacking it's really hard to nail down any tendencies. Constantly lining up in odd formations, strange stunts, and shifting heavy.

He/they like to disguise the S. Sometimes he's a LB and at times only there for "show" in the box. Sometimes he's in man, sometimes zone, but lined up right there on the LOS.

I'm no expert but it almost seems like they're trying to shift the idea of zone blitz confusion to the secondary instead of the front 7...

booger · 09-18-2013, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Other than sneaking the secondary close to the LOS and attacking it's really hard to nail down any tendencies. Constantly lining up in odd formations, strange stunts, and shifting heavy.

He/they like to disguise the S. Sometimes he's a LB and at times only there for "show" in the box. Sometimes he's in man, sometimes zone, but lined up right there on the LOS.

I'm no expert but it almost seems like they're trying to shift the idea of zone blitz confusion to the secondary instead of the front 7...

Yep. Doesn't want to become predictable with who actually drops/blitzes in certain calls. Give some freedom to the OLB's to rush up in a two point or down in a 3 depending on their assignment.

Abdulluh and Demps have done a really good job in sub packages. Parker made a huge play and Cooper has held up in a handful of snaps

**Rausch** · 09-18-2013, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by booger

Yep. Doesn't want to become predictable with who actually drops/blitzes in certain calls. Give some freedom to the OLB's to rush up in a two point or down in a 3 depending on their assignment.

Abdulluh and Demps have done a really good job in sub packages. Parker made a huge play and Cooper has held up in a handful of snaps

Reading this shit makes me really....stupified on how it's worked so far.

There's a lot of responsibility here on the S and if Lewis is as big a POS as CP wants us to believe this wouldn't even be possible...

booger · 09-18-2013, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Reading this shit makes me really....stupified on how it's worked so far.

There's a lot of responsibility here on the S and if Lewis is as big a POS as CP wants us to believe this wouldn't even be possible...

He's done very well and I'm pleasantly surprised. Staying healthy is key with him of course but you can't be a step slow and hold up too well. Only way anyone can make up for speed is with smarts and knowing the D and game plan really well. Theyre going to get burned on some big pass plays no doubt but I will take the aggressiveness anyday

booger · 09-18-2013, 01:57 AM

the pure volume of what they have installed I've got to give Sutton a ton of credit. He only brought with him the QC coach on D for the jets, Mark DeLone. The rest of the staff had to learn the D. Brashear, Gibbs, and Emmitt Thomas have decades in the business though and have coached all sorts of D and technique. That playbook is crammed full of 4-3 3-4 over under 4-6 all sorts of stunts techniques and coverages. That's a ton to adapt to in one offseason. With CBA rule
changes in the meeting time allowed in the offseason and all things considered its very remarkable

Sorter · 09-18-2013, 02:10 AM

I'd really recommend that Direckshun reads the link from booger.

Sorter · 09-18-2013, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

I'm not a defensive guru but watching the coaches film the Chiefs really seem to be running a hybrid 3-4/4-3, with Poe lining up at 3-tech as much as he does over center. Seems to work though.

Just because Poe is aligning in the 3 technique doesn't mean it's a 4-3 look.

Sorter · 09-18-2013, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think I heard something last week about Poe lining up at every position on the line during the Jax game.

They're really mixing things up, and it's a benefit to have so many flexible (but good) guys to move around. Usually the flex guys are tweeners who don't really work at tackle or end.

I could be wrong but I've yet to see Dontari align in a 9.

**Rausch** · 09-18-2013, 02:20 AM

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I could be wrong but I've yet to see Dontari align in a 9.

Now you're just being a glib fuc-.......OOOOOOooooooooh.

Sorter · 09-18-2013, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Now you're just being a glib fuc-.......OOOOOOooooooooh.

09-17-2013, 11:23 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4173447	A ton of passing defense snaps, a ton of passing defense looks. I watched the 2nd half of the game tonight, and marked down the different looks Bob Sutton gave Romo every time he dropped back to pass the ball. Forgive my shorthand: 4-3: four down lineman (Hali/Poe/Bailey/Houston), Berry playing alongside DJ 4-3: four down lineman (Jackson/Poe/DeVito/Hali), Houston rushes ,DJ holds at LOS Base: three down lineman, eight players drop Base: three down lineman, Hali & Houston rush Base: three down lineman, Hali & Houston hold at LOS Base: three down lineman, Hali rush, Houston drops four times Base: three down lineman, Hali drops, Houston rush Base: three down lineman, Hali rush, Houston drops, DJ holds at LOS Base: three down lineman, Hali & Houston rush, DJ drops from the LOS at the snap Base: three down lineman, Hali drops, Houston rush, DJ & Jordan drop from the LOS at the snap Base: three down lineman, Hali rush, Houston drops, DJ & Jordan drop from the LOS at the snap three times Nickel: three down lineman, Hali & Houston rush Dime: poe + Jackson down, Hali rush, eight players drop Dime: poe + Jackson down, Hali & Houston rush, Berry blitzes from ROLB Dime: poe + bailey down, Hali rush, Houston holds at LOS, Berry playing alongside DJ Dime: poe + Jackson + Hali down, Houston rush, DJ moves to blitz but peels off with RB Dime: poe + bailey down, Hali drops, Houston rush, Berry blitzes from LB, Demps blitzes from 10 yards out Dime: poe + Hali down, Houston drops, DJ delayed blitz, Abdullah playing at ILB, Demps blitzing from LOLB Dime: poe + bailey down, Hali lined up as ILB, Houston rush, Berry blitzes from ROLB, Abdullah blitzes from slot Dime: poe + Jackson down, Hali rush, Houston holds at LOS, Lewis blitzes from LOLB, DJ @ LOS at snap but drops Dime: poe + jackson down, Hali & Houston rush, DJ moves to blitz but peels off with RB, Berry lined up right over TE Dime: poe + bailey + Hali down, Houston rush, DJ moves to blitz but peels off with RB, Berry playing alongside DJ Dime: poe + Bailey down, Hali drops, Houston & DJ drops from the LOS at the snap, Berry blitz from ROLB, Abdullah blitz from slot 1-3-7 alignment: only poe down, Hali rushes, Houston drops, DJ drops from the LOS at the snap, Parker & Abdullah blitz from ROLB Pretty crazy. That is what you call a modern, complex defense.
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09-18-2013, 12:43 AM	#17
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booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $1178550	NSFW Language Sums up a big part of the philosophy of this Defense __________________ 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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09-18-2013, 01:57 AM	#25
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $1178550	the pure volume of what they have installed I've got to give Sutton a ton of credit. He only brought with him the QC coach on D for the jets, Mark DeLone. The rest of the staff had to learn the D. Brashear, Gibbs, and Emmitt Thomas have decades in the business though and have coached all sorts of D and technique. That playbook is crammed full of 4-3 3-4 over under 4-6 all sorts of stunts techniques and coverages. That's a ton to adapt to in one offseason. With CBA rule changes in the meeting time allowed in the offseason and all things considered its very remarkable __________________ 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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