Peter King: Herm will draft Matt Ryan to buy himself another year - Page 10

FloridaMan88 · 03-24-2008, 10:52 AM

I still doubt the Chiefs will take Ryan, but this is an interesting rationale for why they might and this is totally in line with the piece of garbage that Herm is.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...21/mmqb/1.html

Kansas City. Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Just a hunch, though they'll have trouble passing on Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long.

Strange thing here. At the combine, Carl Peterson told me the Chiefs loved Ryan, but there was no way they could take him because of their needs elsewhere. (Offensive line, I'm guessing.) Then they sent half the front office to his workout the other day at BC. Methinks Carl does not want to be the man to pass on the guy he thinks will be a franchise player. The other thing this does is buy coach Herman Edwards one more year of rebuilding. Even if the Chiefs go 5-11 this year, they couldn't whack Edwards until after they got a really good look at Ryan.

beach tribe · 03-24-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

The offensive talent will also shoot up around him, helping him more...

You never know. I think he's got some bad habbits, but would not be surprised if he becomes a SOLID starter.

Mecca · 03-24-2008, 03:36 PM

Because you're watching his highlight vids which obviously put those in there because they are big plays, guy is very smart he knows what he can and can't do...

What you need to be watching is the tight throws he made into very small spaces due to his receivers never getting much separation those are the types of throws NFL QB's have to make to be successful.

Ryan doesn't have say the "upside" of JaMarcus Russell because his arm isn't that big but his intangibles are better, it's basically what you expect of a QB.

In addition, Ryan has no true flaws physcially. He's 6'4 3/4 228, is fairly athletic (he moves very well in the pocket), he has a strong arm it just isn't a cannon, is very accurate and has a maturity about him that is beyond his years. As far as upside goes, he may not be that freak like Russell or Ryan Leaf, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Ryan is a very solid all around prospect and should be able to step in right away and help an NFL Franchise.

RustShack · 03-24-2008, 03:40 PM

He won games without talent at BC, I think he has a pretty good shot at winning a few games with Bowe, Gonzo, LJ, and a good defense. The line should be somewhat upgraded, we have a compitent OC right now, and he has the size to not get killed after one game behind our line of last year...

**HemiEd** · 03-24-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Slight difference though.......Ryan didn't suffer any devastating injuries, Croyle has 3 times...

Here are Croyle's top 2 years passing in college...

2005 339 202 59.6 2,499 14 4 132.8

2003 341 182 53.4 2,303 16 13 118.0

Now let's compare that to Matt Ryan for just a moment...

2007 654 388 59.3 4,507 31 19 127.0

2006 426 262 61.5 2,939 15 10 126.4

Ryan nearly had as many passes in 1 year as Croyle did in 2...Sometimes I don't think people realize how much BC relied upon him. They may have not won a game without him.

Good information, thanks. I am sold.

beach tribe · 03-24-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Because you're watching his highlight vids which obviously put those in there because they are big plays, guy is very smart he knows what he can and can't do...

What you need to be watching is the tight throws he made into very small spaces due to his receivers never getting much separation those are the types of throws NFL QB's have to make to be successful.

Ryan doesn't have say the "upside" of JaMarcus Russell because his arm isn't that big but his intangibles are better, it's basically what you expect of a QB.

In addition, Ryan has no true flaws physcially. He's 6'4 3/4 228, is fairly athletic (he moves very well in the pocket), he has a strong arm it just isn't a cannon, is very accurate and has a maturity about him that is beyond his years. As far as upside goes, he may not be that freak like Russell or Ryan Leaf, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Ryan is a very solid all around prospect and should be able to step in right away and help an NFL Franchise.

I don't put much stock into "upside" with a pick that high anyway.
Matt Ryan has a good chance of being SOLID, maybe even above average. Hell, maybe even good.

I will take a STUD at any other position, before an above average QB just because he's a QB.

There will be a STUD available.

Deberg_1990 · 03-24-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I will take a STUD at any other position, before an above average QB just because he's a QB.

Well, thats an interesting debate.

But remember the QB is the only guy on the field who touches the ball on every offensive snap. A QB has the most direct impact on any given games outcome than any other position.

sedated · 03-24-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

But remember the QB is the only guy on the field who touches the ball on every offensive snap.

what about the center?

Mecca · 03-24-2008, 03:53 PM

I think Ryan's a better prospect than a lot of these other guys.....I consider him a top 5 player.

Honestly if you really don't like him I'd like to hear why not. It's like I said before finding these QB's is going to get harder and harder you see teams struggle to find them and fewer going in the first due to this college fixation with the spread option which really hurts the pro games development of QB's.

I trust Ryan alot more than I do anyone that plays in a spread option, if the Chiefs were to take Ryan you'd see the teams kinda show their cards with QB's in this division.

The Broncos and Raiders have the huge armed guys with big upsides and not nearly as good of intangibles on the field. The Chargers and Chiefs would have the guys with the better intangibles and leadership qualities...that said I think Ryan is much more physically talented than Rivers is.

Deberg_1990 · 03-24-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

what about the center?

Ok, lets draft a center top 5 then.

Mecca · 03-24-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Well, thats an interesting debate.

But remember the QB is the only guy on the field who touches the ball on every offensive snap. A QB has the most direct impact on any given games outcome than any other position.

Also with the way the game is changing and the freedom Ryan was given at BC to change plays and move people around I trust that he could call and command a game at the line like the very best QB's in the league today do now.

CoMoChief · 03-24-2008, 05:24 PM

I would love the Bears to trade up to our pick for their 2nd and 3rd, that is if and only IF Jake Long isn't there at the 5th pick.

Halfcan · 03-24-2008, 05:47 PM

Lets not forget that I predicted the cheifs drafting Ryan a long while back.

I think I will stick to that prediction, since my opinion has changed the opinions of so many in the media.

Halfcan · 03-24-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think Ryan's a better prospect than a lot of these other guys.....I consider him a top 5 player.

Honestly if you really don't like him I'd like to hear why not. It's like I said before finding these QB's is going to get harder and harder you see teams struggle to find them and fewer going in the first due to this college fixation with the spread option which really hurts the pro games development of QB's.

I trust Ryan alot more than I do anyone that plays in a spread option, if the Chiefs were to take Ryan you'd see the teams kinda show their cards with QB's in this division.

The Broncos and Raiders have the huge armed guys with big upsides and not nearly as good of intangibles on the field. The Chargers and Chiefs would have the guys with the better intangibles and leadership qualities...that said I think Ryan is much more physically talented than Rivers is.

I couldn't agree more. Great post-as usual!!

Mecca · 03-24-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I would love the Bears to trade up to our pick for their 2nd and 3rd, that is if and only IF Jake Long isn't there at the 5th pick.

Why does everyone always wanna trade down for, we always get jobbed when we do that.

Halfcan · 03-24-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Why does everyone always wanna trade down for, we always get jobbed when we do that.

We won't- we will stay put and draft Ryan. We might even Move Up in the 2nd round if a couple of OT the CHiefs have their eye on are still there though.

03-24-2008, 10:52 AM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $2612906	Peter King: Herm will draft Matt Ryan to buy himself another year I still doubt the Chiefs will take Ryan, but this is an interesting rationale for why they might and this is totally in line with the piece of garbage that Herm is. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...21/mmqb/1.html Kansas City. Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Just a hunch, though they'll have trouble passing on Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long. Strange thing here. At the combine, Carl Peterson told me the Chiefs loved Ryan, but there was no way they could take him because of their needs elsewhere. (Offensive line, I'm guessing.) Then they sent half the front office to his workout the other day at BC. Methinks Carl does not want to be the man to pass on the guy he thinks will be a franchise player. The other thing this does is buy coach Herman Edwards one more year of rebuilding. Even if the Chiefs go 5-11 this year, they couldn't whack Edwards until after they got a really good look at Ryan.
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03-24-2008, 03:36 PM	#137
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2087050	Because you're watching his highlight vids which obviously put those in there because they are big plays, guy is very smart he knows what he can and can't do... What you need to be watching is the tight throws he made into very small spaces due to his receivers never getting much separation those are the types of throws NFL QB's have to make to be successful. Ryan doesn't have say the "upside" of JaMarcus Russell because his arm isn't that big but his intangibles are better, it's basically what you expect of a QB. In addition, Ryan has no true flaws physcially. He's 6'4 3/4 228, is fairly athletic (he moves very well in the pocket), he has a strong arm it just isn't a cannon, is very accurate and has a maturity about him that is beyond his years. As far as upside goes, he may not be that freak like Russell or Ryan Leaf, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Ryan is a very solid all around prospect and should be able to step in right away and help an NFL Franchise.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2087050	I think Ryan's a better prospect than a lot of these other guys.....I consider him a top 5 player. Honestly if you really don't like him I'd like to hear why not. It's like I said before finding these QB's is going to get harder and harder you see teams struggle to find them and fewer going in the first due to this college fixation with the spread option which really hurts the pro games development of QB's. I trust Ryan alot more than I do anyone that plays in a spread option, if the Chiefs were to take Ryan you'd see the teams kinda show their cards with QB's in this division. The Broncos and Raiders have the huge armed guys with big upsides and not nearly as good of intangibles on the field. The Chargers and Chiefs would have the guys with the better intangibles and leadership qualities...that said I think Ryan is much more physically talented than Rivers is.
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03-24-2008, 05:47 PM	#147
Halfcan In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7327995	Lets not forget that I predicted the cheifs drafting Ryan a long while back. I think I will stick to that prediction, since my opinion has changed the opinions of so many in the media.
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