The OFFICIAL Brian Brohm to KC thread - Page 10

KC kid · 09-10-2007, 08:40 PM

I have been a member of this site a long time so take it easy on me when I bring up something that has been discussed at length.

I have been a Chiefs fan since 1990. Never once in this time have the Chiefs drafted a first round quarterback that had the potential to be a franchise type player. We deserve this in Kansas City. We deserve this superstar. We endured all the quarterbacks well past their prime or retreads from another team. Deberg, Krieg, Montana, Grbac, Bono, Gannon, Green, and Huard. That is a new quarterback every two years or so. Green is the closest thing to a mainstay at the position in Kansas City. Green is a guy that has played on four teams now. Kansas City deserves to have a QB that is all their own.

All you football snobs can flick up your nose at me and ramble on about the offensive line until you blue in the face. Kansas City has had this element most of the time since 1990. What has it got us? One playoff win in 17 freaking years. We can find some Linemen to get the job done. I understand how hard it is to find dominate left tackles, but it is even harder to find your man behind center. Hell, the best offensive linemen on the Chiefs right now was not even drafted. The weakest link on the line was a first round pick.

It is time to take our lumps and groom our franchise QB. Carl has to understand that the fans are smart enough to know what is going on. I am so sick of our dedication to status quo mediocrity. I will personally become a Denver fan (God forbid) if we sign another retread QB for next year. Here is my list of offensive offensive pick ups:

Leftwich, Pennington!!!!, Grossman, Romo, Martin, Lemon. I am sure this list can be much longer.

That is why without further hesitation I want to encourage everyone to get the momentum going to make the Brian Brohm draft happen. We need to suck it up and rebuild the right way for the first time. Yes, this team is that bad.

Brian Brohm - Kansas City Chief

MadMax · 09-10-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Damn that is basically it. I think this was the first year as the year started I honestly felt like there was no hope at all. I didn't even get mad when they lost because I expected it, any other year I'd have gone apeshit about losing to Houston.

Herm has taken all my hope and flushed it down the toilet, it's just everything you said and more.

Sad to say, but yes he has

I was more upset yesterday because of the same ol spinning of the wheels this organization does, which just makes it very hard to have hope for the future.The Puppetmaster has his lil dickbeaters in it too as always.

Mecca · 09-10-2007, 10:32 PM

I really think the Chiefs will only win 3 or 4 games this year. Yet there will be people still backing Herm, Peterson and fans who will think we are still a great franchise...

It's like people just are cool with never winning anything anymore.

MadMax · 09-10-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What is truly hilarious to me is the following...

The Chiefs braintrust can't develop a QB to save their lives. Dick Curl, Herm Edwards and Mike Solari have as much knowledge with grooming QBs as I do with rocket science.

Croyle was no sure-fire prospect coming out. He lasts until the 3rd round. He's injury prone.

Yet, Chiefs fans would have you believing that based on the 4 preseason games they have seen of him, which were complete distasters, that he is the future. They trust 3 guys who I wouldn't trust to coach my Madden NFL football franchise with a QB who isn't a can't miss prospect.

They are so starved to believe in someone young that they will accept Croyle and completely dismiss someone like Brohm, who has a much higher ceiling and more worthy of the praise and trust that Croyle has received.

The Chiefs are more than likely selecting in the top 5. If Brohm isn't the choice, then it's just another indication that Herm, Carl, Solari, and Dick Curl are the complete ****ing tools that they come across as every Sunday.

There is no direction. No reason for hope. Nothing.

I hope Lamar haunts all of them in their sleep.

I hear ya but you left out someone else, Lamar is as much to blame as anyone. And now we can only pray his son see's the light and makes changes....I'm not gonna hold my breath

**007** · 09-10-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Watch....they'll play Huard all year. Then when the draft comes up they'll have a top 5 pick, trade down to about 22 to pick in the general Chiefs spot...

Then a few hours after it will be announced they traded a 3rd round pick to the Jets for Chad Pennington. And then I'll burn all my Chiefs stuff and give up.

I would suffer through a crap 0-3 win season if it meant getting rid of HERM and CARL.

Won't happen but the thought is nice.

Mecca · 09-10-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

I would suffer through a crap 0-3 win season if it meant getting rid of HERM and CARL.

Won't happen but the thought is nice.

They could go 0-16 and I fully believe they'd both be back next year.

teedubya · 09-10-2007, 10:42 PM

**** Brian Brohm.

We need a retread QB. Someone marginally mediocre, like Leftwich! He is available.!!!

Mecca · 09-10-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs

**** Brian Brohm.

We need a retread QB. Someone marginally mediocre, like Leftwich! He is available.!!!

Damn you really are Carl.

pikesome · 09-10-2007, 10:51 PM

I finished reading through this thread and I find myself agreeing with Mecca far too much. If Brodie ain't it you take Brohm, no question. If Brodie is it you could take a LT but we aren't going to know because Brodie isn't going to see enough action this year.

Mecca, if you're right and we pass on Brohm without settling the Croyle question...I'm not sure I could craft a sentence that would describe my feelings. It would be long on expletives and short on regular verb, nouns, and adjectives though.

Oh, and I'll hate you for being right.

**007** · 09-10-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They could go 0-16 and I fully believe they'd both be back next year.

OH, I have no doubt about that.

KC kid · 09-10-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Happened for me too overnight.

I was thinking today at work that I think I hate him more than any HC we've had. All his mottos and theories are bullshit. They are 1970's football. I didn't love Vermeil, but hell, at least I felt every Sunday we had some shot. Yesterday, there wasn't one moment after the missed field goal where I thought they would win.

He coaches scared. He doesn't make adjustments. He brings in this shit ass cover 2 when the entire league has caught onto it already. He hires assistants that suck.

Yesterday his gameplan for LJ was awful. LT, Steven Jax and Gore missed basically the entire preseason. You never heard once from their HC's that they would limit touches. But Herm comes out and declares he'll be careful with LJ - and that's exactly what he did. He took him out of the game after 1 carry. It's ****ing maddening.

He wants to go young, but the only young pieces he has are LJ, 2 ends, 2 safeties and Dwayne Bowe.

The team needs a QB, WR, OT, and 2 corners next year. There is no way that they get all of that.

Herm talks all the time about how he's turned the roster over with so many new guys. But those new guys aren't young. You don't start Damon Huard when you want to go young.

I've just really had it. You can only take so much abuse from something you care about before it gets old and tired.

I can't take anymore of Herm. I tried to like him. I had my doubts and defended him on this board. But no more. He's a miserable HC who sugarcoats all his faults, and all the faults around him.

Carl can never think outside his circle of friends to get a real HC that could have saved him in the eyes of Chiefs fans. Carl is like Damon Huard. He will never look totally downfield, he will take the safe checkdown and accept it. Herm was the checkdown.

You nailed it. We need Brohm

greg63 · 09-10-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

I would suffer through a crap 0-3 win season if it meant getting rid of HERM and CARL.

Won't happen but the thought is nice.

Agreed; Herm Peterson must/should go!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-11-2007, 12:17 AM

Palmer and Manning types at the top of the draft are the rarest of commodities.

For fuck's sake, Willie Roaf made Aaron Brooks look like a good NFL quarterback.

Any QB with a reasonably strong arm and decent decision making can do a lot behind a good line.

Trent wasn't the most physically talented, nor did he always make the best decisions, but he had amazing protection, and responed with three straight 4,000 yard seasons.

I'm not saying you shouldn't value a Manning over a Walter Jones, but I guarantee that Jake Long and Baker will have a better draft grade at a position of need than will Brohm.

tk13 · 09-11-2007, 12:33 AM

I made this argument yesterday, and nobody addressed it. I can see this is one of these arguments that I'm going to make 50 times, nobody will address, just move onto another thread and complain about the same thing, ignoring anything I said.

I wrote it all out in much greater detail... but generally speaking, you look at a lot of recent Super Bowl teams... and they had either 1st round or high 2nd round studs at LT. Zimmerman, Walter Jones, Pace, Odgen, Tarik Glenn. Even John Tait was a 1st round LT pick, although it took him a long time to get there. Meanwhile everybody brings up Matt Light, which came from the same team that drafted their franchise QB in round 6.

Meanwhile, drafts are littered with top 10 QB draft failures like Carr, Leaf, Couch, Harrington, even Leftwich and Manning to some extent. Nobody's yet to give me an example of a top 10 QB raising up the level of poor O-line play. While you can find tons of examples of a good line making a QB play above his abilities. And tons of examples of a QB getting killed because he has no protection.

Personally, if we do draft in the top 10, we should take the best player on our board, that could be Brohm over a LT, the college season has yet to play out. But I wouldn't take a QB over an LT just on principle. Every damn year we hear this guy and that guy as the next "franchise QB". People annoint whoever the best 2/3 guys are franchise guys that are must have... happens every single year. We'll get to 2009, and there'll be 2-3 more guys that will raise their game and be declared the next big thing.

**007** · 09-11-2007, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I made this argument yesterday, and nobody addressed it. I can see this is one of these arguments that I'm going to make 50 times, nobody will address, just move onto another thread and complain about the same thing, ignoring anything I said.

I wrote it all out in much greater detail... but generally speaking, you look at a lot of recent Super Bowl teams... and they had either 1st round or high 2nd round studs at LT. Zimmerman, Walter Jones, Pace, Odgen, Tarik Glenn. Even John Tait was a 1st round LT pick, although it took him a long time to get there. Meanwhile everybody brings up Matt Light, which came from the same team that drafted their franchise QB in round 6.

Meanwhile, drafts are littered with top 10 QB draft failures like Carr, Leaf, Couch, Harrington, even Leftwich and Manning to some extent. Nobody's yet to give me an example of a top 10 QB raising up the level of poor O-line play. While you can find tons of examples of a good line making a QB play above his abilities.

Personally, if we do draft in the top 10, we should take the best player on our board, that could be Brohm over a LT, the college season has yet to play out. But I wouldn't take a QB over an LT just on principle. Every damn year we hear this guy and that guy as the next "franchise QB". People annoint whoever the best 2/3 guys are franchise guys that are must have... happens every single year. We'll get to 2009, and there'll be 2-3 more guys that will raise their game and be declared the next big thing.

Until we get a coach that is willing to actually GROOM a young QB it is probably pointless to discuss.

ChiefsCountry · 09-11-2007, 12:38 AM

Look at the Quarterbacks who have been busts in the top 10 - most of them suffered bc they had no line in front of them.

09-10-2007, 08:40 PM
KC kid Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $10004940	The OFFICIAL Brian Brohm to KC thread I have been a member of this site a long time so take it easy on me when I bring up something that has been discussed at length. I have been a Chiefs fan since 1990. Never once in this time have the Chiefs drafted a first round quarterback that had the potential to be a franchise type player. We deserve this in Kansas City. We deserve this superstar. We endured all the quarterbacks well past their prime or retreads from another team. Deberg, Krieg, Montana, Grbac, Bono, Gannon, Green, and Huard. That is a new quarterback every two years or so. Green is the closest thing to a mainstay at the position in Kansas City. Green is a guy that has played on four teams now. Kansas City deserves to have a QB that is all their own. All you football snobs can flick up your nose at me and ramble on about the offensive line until you blue in the face. Kansas City has had this element most of the time since 1990. What has it got us? One playoff win in 17 freaking years. We can find some Linemen to get the job done. I understand how hard it is to find dominate left tackles, but it is even harder to find your man behind center. Hell, the best offensive linemen on the Chiefs right now was not even drafted. The weakest link on the line was a first round pick. It is time to take our lumps and groom our franchise QB. Carl has to understand that the fans are smart enough to know what is going on. I am so sick of our dedication to status quo mediocrity. I will personally become a Denver fan (God forbid) if we sign another retread QB for next year. Here is my list of offensive offensive pick ups: Leftwich, Pennington!!!!, Grossman, Romo, Martin, Lemon. I am sure this list can be much longer. That is why without further hesitation I want to encourage everyone to get the momentum going to make the Brian Brohm draft happen. We need to suck it up and rebuild the right way for the first time. Yes, this team is that bad. Brian Brohm - Kansas City Chief
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09-10-2007, 10:32 PM	#137
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2137050	I really think the Chiefs will only win 3 or 4 games this year. Yet there will be people still backing Herm, Peterson and fans who will think we are still a great franchise... It's like people just are cool with never winning anything anymore.
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teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9460002	**** Brian Brohm. We need a retread QB. Someone marginally mediocre, like Leftwich! He is available.!!!
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09-10-2007, 10:51 PM	#143
pikesome PEW PEW Join Date: May 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	I finished reading through this thread and I find myself agreeing with Mecca far too much. If Brodie ain't it you take Brohm, no question. If Brodie is it you could take a LT but we aren't going to know because Brodie isn't going to see enough action this year. Mecca, if you're right and we pass on Brohm without settling the Croyle question...I'm not sure I could craft a sentence that would describe my feelings. It would be long on expletives and short on regular verb, nouns, and adjectives though. Oh, and I'll hate you for being right. __________________ 4. Performance enhancing drugs: A) are my ticket to the Hall of Fame. B) would be better if they tasted like fruit and were shaped like various Flintstones characters. C) are not for me, because I find that cocaine aids my performance much more effectively. D) apparently worked for Rodney Harrison.
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09-11-2007, 12:17 AM	#147
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7919572	Palmer and Manning types at the top of the draft are the rarest of commodities. For fuck's sake, Willie Roaf made Aaron Brooks look like a good NFL quarterback. Any QB with a reasonably strong arm and decent decision making can do a lot behind a good line. Trent wasn't the most physically talented, nor did he always make the best decisions, but he had amazing protection, and responed with three straight 4,000 yard seasons. I'm not saying you shouldn't value a Manning over a Walter Jones, but I guarantee that Jake Long and Baker will have a better draft grade at a position of need than will Brohm. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-11-2007, 12:33 AM	#148
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1502500	I made this argument yesterday, and nobody addressed it. I can see this is one of these arguments that I'm going to make 50 times, nobody will address, just move onto another thread and complain about the same thing, ignoring anything I said. I wrote it all out in much greater detail... but generally speaking, you look at a lot of recent Super Bowl teams... and they had either 1st round or high 2nd round studs at LT. Zimmerman, Walter Jones, Pace, Odgen, Tarik Glenn. Even John Tait was a 1st round LT pick, although it took him a long time to get there. Meanwhile everybody brings up Matt Light, which came from the same team that drafted their franchise QB in round 6. Meanwhile, drafts are littered with top 10 QB draft failures like Carr, Leaf, Couch, Harrington, even Leftwich and Manning to some extent. Nobody's yet to give me an example of a top 10 QB raising up the level of poor O-line play. While you can find tons of examples of a good line making a QB play above his abilities. And tons of examples of a QB getting killed because he has no protection. Personally, if we do draft in the top 10, we should take the best player on our board, that could be Brohm over a LT, the college season has yet to play out. But I wouldn't take a QB over an LT just on principle. Every damn year we hear this guy and that guy as the next "franchise QB". People annoint whoever the best 2/3 guys are franchise guys that are must have... happens every single year. We'll get to 2009, and there'll be 2-3 more guys that will raise their game and be declared the next big thing.
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09-11-2007, 12:38 AM	#150
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