Commisioner finds Pats Guilty - Page 10

percysnow · 05:21 PM

will give them chance to plea case fri. . see below Donger's post

Amnorix · 09-12-2007, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

While I tend to agree IMO if it was personal then why didn't we hear about it last year especially before or after the playoff game?

I'm not a mind-reader, but one obvious possibly presents itself -- Mangini's bitterness at getting stomped in the playoffs?

Also, Pats accused Jets of improper meddling iwth the Asante Samuel contract situation.

BucEyedPea · 09-12-2007, 08:11 AM

As, I posted earlier, let's wait to get both sides of this story because some things are not adding up. There's two sides to a story. There's the seen and the unseen. There's been antics going on between the Jets and Pats. Some things seem illogical. This is the problem I have: just because the Commissioner says something he may not have all the material facts either.

Take a look at this.

Jets Guilty? Pats to be Vindicated? Stay Tuned.
about 3 hours ago :: 80 Views
In response to:
NFL: Patriots cheated, penalties to come

The NFL has determined that the Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped Jets coaches sending signals to players on the field during New England's 38-14 victory at Giants Stadium, ESPN and the NFL Network reported last night. Before the league issues any sanctions - which could be severe, including suspensions, fines, and the loss of draft picks - Patriots coach Bill Belichick will present his team's explanation to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, likely by the end of the week over the telephone.

Jets Guilty? Pats to be Vindicated? Stay Tuned.

While it looks very ominous in New England for the Pats today, the Pats side of the story in "spygate" New York is yet to be told, and that story may have the NFL looking back at the Jets for their pre-game antics and activites in this bitter rivalry. Consider that just days before the game, the Jets brought into camp the ex-Pats receiver Caldwell.

Why, do you ask if the Jets already had a full complement of receivers and had no intention of signing him?

Well, sources in New England say it was to get the Pats' offensive playbook and the verbal signals Brady uses during the game so that the Jets would know what play was coming - this could explain why the Pats were operating on a different radio frequency between Brady and the Offensive coordinator - they were fearful the Jets were "tapping the wires" of Brady's helmet, and the Jets knew the plays from Caldwell's input so they could defense any Pats play with ease. Regarding the filming of the defensive coaches of the Jets - yes it happened, but not for the reasons everyone thinks.

The Pats were and are accumulating proof to be presented to the NFL on Friday that the Jets set about a scheme to steal the offensive signals electronically from the Pats and to set the defensive scheme based on this --- the Pats crossed the Jets up by going on a different frequency (how else did the Jets know the Pats were on a different frequency if they weren't trying to listen in?).

The Pats were filming the Jets defensive calls so that AFTER the game (not during), they could prove the Jets' tampering to the NFL. We should all wait til Friday to see how this all turns out, but be prepared for a shocking twist to this intiguing story. The Pats did not, and do not need to cheat, and I suspect they did not cheat on Sunday to whip the Jets. Had they been stealing defensive signals from the Jets, you would have seen a lot of audibles at the line by Brady --- and if you review the game tape (as I did ) this was not the case on Sunday.

I do not believe that Mr Kraft would condone this type of action, and Coach B would not risk losing his reputation (and maybe his job) by doing something so blatant and embarrassing to Mr Kraft and the team ...and Brady would NEVER stoop to this type of behavior.

No, ladies and gentlemen, let's just wait to see how this saga unfolds on Friday. If I am wrong, I will go public with a statement of apology to all Jets fans and FanNation, and release my private note to Mr Kraft sent last night, but please save your shots til we hear the other side of this story

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/58476

Interesting 'eh?
Larry Broadcast of Boston

pikesome · 09-12-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

As, I posted earlier, let's wait to get both sides of this story because some things are not adding up. There's two sides to a story. There's the seen and the unseen. There's been antics going on between the Jets and Pats. Some things seem illogical. This is the problem I have: just because the Commissioner says something he may not have all the material facts either.

Take a look at this.

Jets Guilty? Pats to be Vindicated? Stay Tuned.
about 3 hours ago :: 80 Views
In response to:
NFL: Patriots cheated, penalties to come

The NFL has determined that the Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped Jets coaches sending signals to players on the field during New England's 38-14 victory at Giants Stadium, ESPN and the NFL Network reported last night. Before the league issues any sanctions - which could be severe, including suspensions, fines, and the loss of draft picks - Patriots coach Bill Belichick will present his team's explanation to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, likely by the end of the week over the telephone.

Jets Guilty? Pats to be Vindicated? Stay Tuned. While it looks very ominous in New England for the Pats today, the Pats side of the story in "spygate" New York is yet to be told, and that story may have the NFL looking back at the Jets for their pre-game antics and activites in this bitter rivalry. Consider that just days before the game, the Jets brought into camp the ex-Pats receiver Caldwell. Why, do you ask if the Jets already had a full complement of receivers and had no intention of signing him? Well, sources in New England say it was to get the Pats' offensive playbook and the verbal signals Brady uses during the game so that the Jets would know what play was coming - this could explain why the Pats were operating on a different radio frequency between Brady and the Offensive coordinator - they were fearful the Jets were "tapping the wires" of Brady's helmet, and the Jets knew the plays from Caldwell's input so they could defense any Pats play with ease. Regarding the filming of the defensive coaches of the Jets - yes it happened, but not for the reasons everyone thinks. The Pats were and are accumulating proof to be presented to the NFL on Friday that the Jets set about a scheme to steal the offensive signals electronically from the Pats and to set the defensive scheme based on this --- the Pats crossed the Jets up by going on a different frequency (how else did the Jets know the Pats were on a different frequency if they weren't trying to listen in?). The Pats were filming the Jets defensive calls so that AFTER the game (not during), they could prove the Jets' tampering to the NFL. We should all wait til Friday to see how this all turns out, but be prepared for a shocking twist to this intiguing story. The Pats did not, and do not need to cheat, and I suspect they did not cheat on Sunday to whip the Jets. Had they been stealing defensive signals from the Jets, you would have seen a lot of audibles at the line by Brady --- and if you review the game tape (as I did ) this was not the case on Sunday. I do not believe that Mr Kraft would condone this type of action, and Coach B would not risk losing his reputation (and maybe his job) by doing something so blatant and embarrassing to Mr Kraft and the team ...and Brady would NEVER stoop to this type of behavior. No, ladies and gentlemen, let's just wait to see how this saga unfolds on Friday. If I am wrong, I will go public with a statement of apology to all Jets fans and FanNation, and release my private note to Mr Kraft sent last night, but please save your shots til we hear the other side of this story

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/58476

Interesting 'eh?
Larry Broadcast of Boston

Seems like an awfully convenient excuse. It might be a bit more believable if the Pats hadn't already been put on notice individually and then the whole of the NFL warned. It also doesn't explain the previous incidents.

Extra Point · 09-12-2007, 08:18 AM

Ruling the Jets a win in week one, or a $1 Million fine (3 days of Velveeta production), gets this over with, in a hurry. Ruling involving next year's draft picks delays the agony-- noone wants to hear about it, beyond this week. However, that gives the media mill grain to grind.

BucEyedPea · 09-12-2007, 08:20 AM

Seems like you, like others, are convinced of guilt without any due process or hearing all the relevant facts. Like waiting until there's a full investigation.

You're prejudiced, bias or have an axe to grind and/or rely on news reports as truth.

It's no wonder the average person cannot be trusted with justice.

Amnorix · 09-12-2007, 08:20 AM

welll.....that's interesting. Seems like a bit of a stretch, but what do I know.

It also doesn't answer similar charges levied against Pats last year by Detroit and the Packers...

Amnorix · 09-12-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Extra Point

Ruling the Jets a win in week one, or a $1 Million fine (3 days of Velveeta production), gets this over with, in a hurry. Ruling involving next year's draft picks delays the agony-- noone wants to hear about it, beyond this week. However, that gives the media mill grain to grind.

yeah, uhh, the Pats owner has NOTHING to do with Kraft foods.

He's in the paper industry, among others.

BucEyedPea · 09-12-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

welll.....that's interesting. Seems like a bit of a stretch, but what do I know.

It also doesn't answer similar charges levied against Pats last year by Detroit and the Packers...

True. I don't know about that one, including if the charges remained charges only. What were the results of that one?

pikesome · 09-12-2007, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Seems like you, like others, are convinced of guilt without any due process or hearing all the relevant facts. Like waiting until there's a full investigation.

You're prejudiced, bias or have an axe to grind and/or rely on news reports as truth.

It's no wonder the average person cannot be trusted with justice.

Being blind to the circumstances and history is just as bad as jumping to conclusions. We aren't ever going to have all the info, the NFL is never going to let it all get out but there's a lot of history concerning this guy, the filming and the Pats. If this was the first time maybe being sceptical would be prudent but there's at least 2 other similar incidents I've heard of not to mention the fact that the league thought enough of the previous accusations to warn the Pats and every other team that this, specifically, was verboten. It all adds up to cast a long shadow of doubt on any excuse the Pats come up with.

BucEyedPea · 09-12-2007, 08:26 AM

Besides, Amn, if BB is that smart (or devious) why would the Pats be so blatantly open about it on the Jet's sideline? That's just incredibly stupid and illogical. Obviously, it's the wrong way to go about the situation. It' sjust letting Manboobs get in his head. I'm gonna still wait it out.

Amnorix · 09-12-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

True. I don't know about that one, including if the charges remained charges only. What were the results of that one?

nothing. No formal complaint lodged.

BucEyedPea · 09-12-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pikesome

Being blind to the circumstances and history is just as bad as jumping to conclusions. We aren't ever going to have all the info, the NFL is never going to let it all get out but there's a lot of history concerning this guy, the filming and the Pats. If this was the first time maybe being sceptical would be prudent but there's at least 2 other similar incidents I've heard of not to mention the fact that the league thought enough of the previous accusations to warn the Pats and every other team that this, specifically, was verboten. It all adds up to cast a long shadow of doubt on any excuse the Pats come up with.

2 incidents is not a whole lotta history in my book. It's not good either.
Now if the Jet's weren't trying to steal their signals electronically whereby the Pats were trying to prove it on film, ESPECIALLY AFTER issuing warnings, then I'm with ya.'

pikesome · 09-12-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

2 incidents is not a whole lotta history in my book. It's not good either.
Now if the Jet's weren't trying to steal their signals electronically whereby the Pats were trying to prove it on film, ESPECIALLY AFTER issuing warnings, then I'm with ya.'

If the Pats had said something to the league ahead of time, maybe. The idea that the Pats would do something very, very similar to what the league had warned them not to do without mentioning it seems fishy. They had the guy there with the camera, that's enough time to pick up a phone and mention it to someone.

Brock · 09-12-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/58476

Interesting 'eh?
Larry Broadcast of Boston

LOL, yeah, interesting bunch of BS.

BucEyedPea · 09-12-2007, 08:42 AM

So in other words you're mind is made up on incomplete information?

Did it ever occur to you, they needed proof and there was no time inbetween to file a complaint. There's many scenarios that could explain things. This is what incomplete information does to people....they make up data if only to make sense of the situation based on original stories.

09-11-2007, 05:06 PM
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09-12-2007, 08:11 AM	#137
BucEyedPea Gimme My Berries Back! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: None of your business Casino cash: $3069963	As, I posted earlier, let's wait to get both sides of this story because some things are not adding up. There's two sides to a story. There's the seen and the unseen. There's been antics going on between the Jets and Pats. Some things seem illogical. This is the problem I have: just because the Commissioner says something he may not have all the material facts either. Take a look at this. Jets Guilty? Pats to be Vindicated? Stay Tuned. about 3 hours ago :: 80 Views In response to: NFL: Patriots cheated, penalties to come The NFL has determined that the Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped Jets coaches sending signals to players on the field during New England's 38-14 victory at Giants Stadium, ESPN and the NFL Network reported last night. Before the league issues any sanctions - which could be severe, including suspensions, fines, and the loss of draft picks - Patriots coach Bill Belichick will present his team's explanation to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, likely by the end of the week over the telephone. Jets Guilty? Pats to be Vindicated? Stay Tuned. While it looks very ominous in New England for the Pats today, the Pats side of the story in "spygate" New York is yet to be told, and that story may have the NFL looking back at the Jets for their pre-game antics and activites in this bitter rivalry. Consider that just days before the game, the Jets brought into camp the ex-Pats receiver Caldwell. Why, do you ask if the Jets already had a full complement of receivers and had no intention of signing him? Well, sources in New England say it was to get the Pats' offensive playbook and the verbal signals Brady uses during the game so that the Jets would know what play was coming - this could explain why the Pats were operating on a different radio frequency between Brady and the Offensive coordinator - they were fearful the Jets were "tapping the wires" of Brady's helmet, and the Jets knew the plays from Caldwell's input so they could defense any Pats play with ease. Regarding the filming of the defensive coaches of the Jets - yes it happened, but not for the reasons everyone thinks. The Pats were and are accumulating proof to be presented to the NFL on Friday that the Jets set about a scheme to steal the offensive signals electronically from the Pats and to set the defensive scheme based on this --- the Pats crossed the Jets up by going on a different frequency (how else did the Jets know the Pats were on a different frequency if they weren't trying to listen in?). The Pats were filming the Jets defensive calls so that AFTER the game (not during), they could prove the Jets' tampering to the NFL. We should all wait til Friday to see how this all turns out, but be prepared for a shocking twist to this intiguing story. The Pats did not, and do not need to cheat, and I suspect they did not cheat on Sunday to whip the Jets. Had they been stealing defensive signals from the Jets, you would have seen a lot of audibles at the line by Brady --- and if you review the game tape (as I did ) this was not the case on Sunday. I do not believe that Mr Kraft would condone this type of action, and Coach B would not risk losing his reputation (and maybe his job) by doing something so blatant and embarrassing to Mr Kraft and the team ...and Brady would NEVER stoop to this type of behavior. No, ladies and gentlemen, let's just wait to see how this saga unfolds on Friday. If I am wrong, I will go public with a statement of apology to all Jets fans and FanNation, and release my private note to Mr Kraft sent last night, but please save your shots til we hear the other side of this story http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/58476 Interesting 'eh? Larry Broadcast of Boston Last edited by BucEyedPea; 09-12-2007 at 08:17 AM..
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09-12-2007, 08:18 AM	#139
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09-12-2007, 08:20 AM	#140
BucEyedPea Gimme My Berries Back! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: None of your business Casino cash: $3069963	Seems like you, like others, are convinced of guilt without any due process or hearing all the relevant facts. Like waiting until there's a full investigation. You're prejudiced, bias or have an axe to grind and/or rely on news reports as truth. It's no wonder the average person cannot be trusted with justice.
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Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	welll.....that's interesting. Seems like a bit of a stretch, but what do I know. It also doesn't answer similar charges levied against Pats last year by Detroit and the Packers... __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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BucEyedPea Gimme My Berries Back! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: None of your business Casino cash: $3069963	Besides, Amn, if BB is that smart (or devious) why would the Pats be so blatantly open about it on the Jet's sideline? That's just incredibly stupid and illogical. Obviously, it's the wrong way to go about the situation. It' sjust letting Manboobs get in his head. I'm gonna still wait it out.
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09-12-2007, 08:42 AM	#150
BucEyedPea Gimme My Berries Back! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: None of your business Casino cash: $3069963	So in other words you're mind is made up on incomplete information? Did it ever occur to you, they needed proof and there was no time inbetween to file a complaint. There's many scenarios that could explain things. This is what incomplete information does to people....they make up data if only to make sense of the situation based on original stories.
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