Ten Things From Today's Game - Page 10

**gblowfish** · 12-16-2007, 04:45 PM

Merry Frickin' Christmas....

1) Announced attendance over 70,000. Actual attendance probably 50,000. Upstairs about half full.

2) Didn't see many guys wearing bags over their heads, but did see two great signs. One was three guys way upstairs holding 3 neon green signs that said...

GET......OVER......IT

Very nice.

Second one was with about 2 minutes left in the game under the big scoreboard, some guys unfurled a big long white sheet that covered from goalpost to goalpost that said (not sure if this is exact...)

GET RID OF CARL AND SEND HERM WITH HIM

3) I'm starting to fear Brodie Croyle is the next Todd Sackledge. Two TDs, but two costly picks in the second half. I can see King Carl (if he's still here) bringing in yet another journeyman QB like a Krieg, or DeBerg or Bono...to challenge Brodie next year. I think Huard is toast. I'm not sold on Brodie. He has yet to win a start. Sometimes your QB has to will the team to victory. Not sure if Brodie has the chops to do that.

4) If there is a silver lining, we found out Kolby Smith can play. Dude is every bit as good as Michael Bennett. Wonder if he can return kicks?

5) When was the last time the Chiefs didn't have a kicker and a kick returner? We have to find a kicking solution for the long term, and we have to find a guy who can be a threat on kickoff returns. How does Eddie Drummond cash his paycheck with a straight face?

6) Chris Terry is now free to start his career as a Sears Sales Associate, selling riding mowers or Kenmore Washers. Best of luck to him in his retail career. I told him three weeks ago the only way he'd see the Raiders next year at Arrowhead was to buy a ticket. I was right. Good Riddance.

7) Who the hell is Dick Curl and why do we need him around? He's just a grumpy old man who annoys our QBs, as far as I can tell....

8) I think Solari and Gunther could both be gone at the end of the year. Neither has done an acceptable job this year.

9) What happened to Turk and Tank this year? They have been inconsequential as draft picks. Boone and Edwards play more than they do, and today Jimmy Wilkerson outplayed both of them. There goes another poor 2 and 3 pick. We need impact players with those picks. Chiefs just can't get value for high picks. Junior Siavii, Eddie Freeman, Mike Cloud, etc etc etc....

10) Selected Chiefs Merchandise 50% off next weekend at the Chiefs Pavillion. I'm sure they'll have people camping out for that next weekend. Buy a lot of crap....Carl is counting on you.

No reason to screw up our draft at this point. Play all rookies. Run the ball.
Trade Tony G to give him a chance to win a SB in the few years he has left.

Think the Jets fans will get a big kick out of beating Herm last game of the season? I think they'll have a big day at home and try to embarrass Herm... like that's something new this year.

Mecca · 12-16-2007, 09:29 PM

If as a GM my guys evaluated Matt Ryan as a franchise QB and I strongly felt he was that, I'd pick him. Brodie Croyle shouldn't stop you from making that pick. That's the point I'm making...

If the Chiefs pass on Ryan, Croyle becomes an average to slightly above average QB and Ryan becomes Carson Palmer we'll all feel real stupid.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Why? This team isnt "one player away" as Carl would like you to believe.

Its about 15-20 players away.

That is true, but I think there are much more pressing needs than QB at this point.

This is one of the worst QB classes in years. And it's not like we've given our young QB a real chance to succeed by getting him some help or at least giving him more experience.

He's made enough progress over his last four games that had we actually started him from Day One, I'm confident we'd have a damn good idea of our "needs" at QB.

Mecca · 12-16-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That is true, but I think there are much more pressing needs than QB at this point.

This is one of the worst QB classes in years. And it's not like we've given our young QB a real chance to succeed by getting him some help or at least giving him more experience.

He's made enough progress over his last four games that had we actually started him from Day One, I'm confident we'd have a damn good idea of our "needs" at QB.

I disagree with your QB class evaluation........go over the last 5....the class isn't that bad....

beach tribe · 12-16-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Why? This team isnt "one player away" as Carl would like you to believe.

Its about 15-20 players away.

This team needs players Across the Board. Croyle has shown poise, under difficult circumstances.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I disagree with your QB class evaluation........go over the last 5....the class isn't that bad....

I have.

I don't think any of these guys will be any better than the guys who have come out in the last 3-5 years.

There's been Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger and a bunch of question marks.

When healthy, Leinart is probably the next best of the group, as well as Derek Anderson.

Not exactly a stellar group.....

Mecca · 12-16-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I have.

I don't think any of these guys will be any better than the guys who have come out in the last 3-5 years.

There's been Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger and a bunch of question marks.

When healthy, Leinart is probably the next best of the group, as well as Derek Anderson.

Not exactly a stellar group.....

See, exactly my point......the QB classes are generally like this one. I don't think it's a bad class or a great class.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I have.

I don't think any of these guys will be any better than the guys who have come out in the last 3-5 years.

There's been Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger and a bunch of question marks.

When healthy, Leinart is probably the next best of the group, as well as Derek Anderson.

Not exactly a stellar group.....

Cutler is going to be better than Leinart.

Damn that hurts to say that.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2007, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

See, exactly my point......the QB classes are generally like this one. I don't think it's a bad class or a great class.

And why I don't advocate taking a QB with a Top 5 pick, unless he's a no-brainer. Which none of these guys are, IMO.

Not to mention, the chances of Ellis, Laurinaitis, or either of the Jenkins being there when we pick are pretty decent. Any of those guys would benefit the team more early AND in the future than Ryan would, IMO.

**cdcox** · 12-16-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I agree somewhat but IMO a great D will always beat a great O. There are just no elite D's in the league right now to stop them.

The lack of elite D's is not a coincidence. The rules are tilted toward the offense. Free agency and the salary cap keeps teams from having an elite D. A defense seems to get hot for a season or half season, but it just isn't sustainable. Elite offenses can go 5+ years. Ravens have been know for their D, for a long time, but it has only been elite for a year. Steelers won with D, but I don't think it was elite. People were talking about Chicago's D a year ago, but now look at it. Trying to win a SB with an elite D has been shown to result in maybe one SB win. Elite offenses are the basis of dynasties. It's just stupid to emphasize defense over offense in today's NFL. You need a good defense, but not a great one.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Cutler is going to be better than Leinart.

Damn that hurts to say that.

I think it's easier to say that because Cutler is ahead of Leinart right now since he's played all year and gotten experience, while ML has been injured.

We've seen more of Cutler. But IMO Leinart has more natural talent and makes better decisions than Cutler.

Mecca · 12-16-2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

The lack of elite D's is not a coincidence. The rules are tilted toward the offense. Free agency and the salary cap keeps teams from having an elite D. A defense seems to get hot for a season or half season, but it just isn't sustainable. Elite offenses can go 5+ years. Ravens have been know for their D, for a long time, but it has only been elite for a year. Steelers won with D, but I don't think it was elite. People were talking about Chicago's D a year ago, but now look at it. Trying to win a SB with an elite D has been shown to result in maybe one SB win. Elite offenses are the basis of dynasties. It's just stupid to emphasize defense over offense in today's NFL. You need a good defense, but not a great one.

Ba Ding....and to me that all starts at QB that is why I would seriously consider taking a QB first.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ba Ding....and to me that all starts at QB that is why I would seriously consider taking a QB first.

Unless you feel you already have the QB, then you get him a line and some weapons to maximize his potential.

Mecca · 12-16-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Unless you feel you already have the QB, then you get him a line and some weapons to maximize his potential.

Well that's where we differ.......To me I don't think Croyle will ever make it through 16 games. And I think at best he'll be a slightly above average QB....

Delano · 12-16-2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Well that's where we differ.......To me I don't think Croyle will ever make it through 16 games. And I think at best he'll be a slightly above average QB....

So... to clarify, you believe Croyle is injury prone and will be a mediocre starter? Or.. Croyle is injury prone and that will make him mediocre, despite his possession of all the skills needed to be a good QB?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2007, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Well that's where we differ.......To me I don't think Croyle will ever make it through 16 games. And I think at best he'll be a slightly above average QB....

I'm not saying he will or won't be.

But I can say that I KNOW that we don't have a single decent projected OL starter.

That at best, we have 2 DTOTF.

Nothing at MLB for the future.

Nothing at CB for the future.

1 player at WR for the future.

We don't know for sure what we have in Croyle. But we do know that we have SERIOUS holes at just about every other position on the roster.

And the guys who are coming out at those positions I mentioned all project to be ELITE. But the QB class is a question mark.

Question:

If Ryan, Ellis, J. Long, Laurintaitis, and both Jenkins were available at our pick, who would you take? Please list in order of preference.

12-16-2007, 04:45 PM
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17586178 VARSITY	Ten Things From Today's Game Merry Frickin' Christmas.... 1) Announced attendance over 70,000. Actual attendance probably 50,000. Upstairs about half full. 2) Didn't see many guys wearing bags over their heads, but did see two great signs. One was three guys way upstairs holding 3 neon green signs that said... GET......OVER......IT Very nice. Second one was with about 2 minutes left in the game under the big scoreboard, some guys unfurled a big long white sheet that covered from goalpost to goalpost that said (not sure if this is exact...) GET RID OF CARL AND SEND HERM WITH HIM 3) I'm starting to fear Brodie Croyle is the next Todd Sackledge. Two TDs, but two costly picks in the second half. I can see King Carl (if he's still here) bringing in yet another journeyman QB like a Krieg, or DeBerg or Bono...to challenge Brodie next year. I think Huard is toast. I'm not sold on Brodie. He has yet to win a start. Sometimes your QB has to will the team to victory. Not sure if Brodie has the chops to do that. 4) If there is a silver lining, we found out Kolby Smith can play. Dude is every bit as good as Michael Bennett. Wonder if he can return kicks? 5) When was the last time the Chiefs didn't have a kicker and a kick returner? We have to find a kicking solution for the long term, and we have to find a guy who can be a threat on kickoff returns. How does Eddie Drummond cash his paycheck with a straight face? 6) Chris Terry is now free to start his career as a Sears Sales Associate, selling riding mowers or Kenmore Washers. Best of luck to him in his retail career. I told him three weeks ago the only way he'd see the Raiders next year at Arrowhead was to buy a ticket. I was right. Good Riddance. 7) Who the hell is Dick Curl and why do we need him around? He's just a grumpy old man who annoys our QBs, as far as I can tell.... 8) I think Solari and Gunther could both be gone at the end of the year. Neither has done an acceptable job this year. 9) What happened to Turk and Tank this year? They have been inconsequential as draft picks. Boone and Edwards play more than they do, and today Jimmy Wilkerson outplayed both of them. There goes another poor 2 and 3 pick. We need impact players with those picks. Chiefs just can't get value for high picks. Junior Siavii, Eddie Freeman, Mike Cloud, etc etc etc.... 10) Selected Chiefs Merchandise 50% off next weekend at the Chiefs Pavillion. I'm sure they'll have people camping out for that next weekend. Buy a lot of crap....Carl is counting on you. No reason to screw up our draft at this point. Play all rookies. Run the ball. Trade Tony G to give him a chance to win a SB in the few years he has left. Think the Jets fans will get a big kick out of beating Herm last game of the season? I think they'll have a big day at home and try to embarrass Herm... like that's something new this year.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2077050	If as a GM my guys evaluated Matt Ryan as a franchise QB and I strongly felt he was that, I'd pick him. Brodie Croyle shouldn't stop you from making that pick. That's the point I'm making... If the Chiefs pass on Ryan, Croyle becomes an average to slightly above average QB and Ryan becomes Carson Palmer we'll all feel real stupid.
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