Chiefs Yahoo.com Draft Grades - Page 10

**BigMeatballDave** · 11:12 AM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu..._grades_050111

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Denver Broncos
Picks: LB Von Miller, S Rahim Moore, OT Orlando Franklin, LB Nate Irving, S Quinton Carter, TE Julius Thomas, LB Mike Mohamed, TE Virgil Green, DL Jeremy Beal.
Grade: B
Analysis: A good rule of thumb in the NFL (and pretty much in just about any sport) is take the bigger guy first. The Broncos went against that theory by selecting Miller over Dareus. That said, Miller is the kind of disruptive, pass-rushing force who could be a perennial Pro Bowler. He is explosive and has a great personality, ingredients for becoming a great player and leader. The rest of the draft was very wise. In particular, getting Moore to rejuvenate an ancient secondary was critical (plus backing up that pick with Carter in the fourth round). Throw in the selections of Franklin and Irving and you have a draft that could easily feature four or five starters. That’s exactly what the Broncos had to get in this draft.

Kansas City Chiefs
Picks: WR Jonathan Baldwin, C Rodney Hudson, LB Justin Houston(notes), DE Allen Bailey(notes), CB Jalil Brown, QB Ricky Stanzi, LB Gabe Miller, DT Jerrell Powe, FB Shane Bannon.
Grade: B-
Analysis: The Chiefs moved back six spots in the first round and still got an offensive weapon who may start right away in Baldwin. The 6-foot-5 Baldwin is a beast and gives the team a great complement to Dwayne Bowe. However, like Bowe, Baldwin can be a bit of a head case. For instance, he had the gall to complain that the Pitt coaching staff was not throwing to him very much because they wanted to hurt his draft stock. Second-rounder Hudson should start this year or next depending on what happens with Casey Wiegmann. Third-round picks OLB Justin Houston and DE Allen Bailey could easily become starters as rookies. Neither figures to ever be great, but both should be solid starters.

Oakland Raiders
Picks: C Stefen Wisniewski, CB Demarcus Van Dyke , OL Joseph Barksdale, CB Chimdi Chekwa, RB Taiwan Jones, WR Denarius Moore, TE Richard Gordon, WR David Ausberry .
Grade: B+
Analysis: The Raiders get credit for getting DL Richard Seymour two seasons ago with the first-round pick they gave up from this year. Seymour has turned out to be a fine acquisition, even if he’s getting long in the tooth. Starting there, this draft simply reeks of Raiderdom, starting with the selection of Wisniewski in the second round. The latest Wiz will not only play for his uncle, former Raider great Steve Wisniewski, but will probably start from Day 1 because starter Samson Satele just wasn’t that good the past two years. From there, the Raiders basically drafted a 4 x 100 relay team with Van Dyke, Chekwa, Jones and Moore. The Raiders are nothing if not consistent.

San Diego Chargers
Picks: DT Corey Liuget, CB Marcus Gilchrist, LB Jonas Mouton, WR Vincent Brown, CB Shareece Wright, RB Jordan Todman, OL Steven Schilling, LB Andrew Gachkar.
Grade: B
Analysis: As you can tell, this draft screams defense as four of the top five picks (all in the first three rounds) were on that side of the ball. That started with Liuget at No. 18 overall. Liuget may not be the most dynamic lineman out there, but he’s solid across the board and could play any spot in San Diego’s three-man front. From there, the selection of Gilchrist (who can also line up at cornerback) and Wright restore some much-needed depth in the secondary. Mouton has more than a few detractors, many who say he’s just not that tough, but he’s a very good athlete who is learning to play in the front seven.

NO WAY is the Chiefs draft the least of this division.

vailpass · 05-04-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

[/backs slowly out of the thread, looking around uncomfortably]

You come here often? What's your sign?

**Lzen** · 05-04-2011, 12:18 PM

Dang, this thread suddenly turned gay. And no, I'm not talking about knowmo's comments.

keg in kc · 05-04-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

You come here often? What's your sign?

vailpass · 05-04-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Dang, this thread suddenly turned gay. And no, I'm not talking about knowmo's comments.

Ever do time in a Turkish prison?

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-04-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Von has been timed numerous times at 4.42.

Yeah, yeah just like all the guys on this board with sub 4.3 speed

MagicHef · 05-05-2011, 01:49 AM

I like the Broncos' draft for 2 reasons: They didn't reach for need, and all their selections (except the TEs) had great production in college, rather than being combine stars. Of course, I could just have my homer glasses on.

**Saul Good** · 05-05-2011, 09:03 AM

The key to drafting well is to move up\down until BPA fills a need. Also, if there was ever a year to put extra emphasis on need, its this one.

MagicHef · 05-05-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

The key to drafting well is to move up\down until BPA fills a need. Also, if there was ever a year to put extra emphasis on need, its this one.

Yes, but that requires luck as well as skill. Also, there will be an FA period, so I'm not sure why need would be more important this year. It seems to me that need would be less important this year since FA is after the draft, you can draft BPA and fill whatever needs didn't get met later.

I just don't like drafting for need, it seems so shortsighted. In 4-5 years, would you rather have whatever your biggest need was 4-5 years ago, or would you rather just have the best player?

**Saul Good** · 05-05-2011, 03:59 PM

The FA period is going to be greatly abbreviated, and the class is pretty much Nnamdi and a bunch of garbage.

As far a luck goes, you have to make it work. Pioli did a masterful job of it.

milkman · 05-06-2011, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Yes, but that requires luck as well as skill. Also, there will be an FA period, so I'm not sure why need would be more important this year. It seems to me that need would be less important this year since FA is after the draft, you can draft BPA and fill whatever needs didn't get met later.

I just don't like drafting for need, it seems so shortsighted. In 4-5 years, would you rather have whatever your biggest need was 4-5 years ago, or would you rather just have the best player?

When you have as many holes on your roster as both the Chiefs and the Donkeys have, then there are very few scnarios where BPA and need do not meet.

The Donkeys selected a LB when their greatest need was probably DT, and the best player on the board, by most accounts was a DT.

They selected, with their second pick, a safety, when a better player at DT was still on the board.

Ths Donkeys ignored their greatest need, twice, at the top of the draft.

Quesadilla Joe · 05-06-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

They selected, with their second pick, a safety, when a better player at DT was still on the board.

Ths Donkeys ignored their greatest need, twice, at the top of the draft.

Paea and Marvin Austin were both off of their draft board. Marvin Austin because of character issues and Paea because he is too short and has short arms.

TRR · 05-06-2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Paea and Marvin Austin were both off of their draft board. Marvin Austin because of character issues and Paea because is too short and has short arms.

You saw the Donkeys draft board?
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Quesadilla Joe · 05-06-2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

You saw the Donkeys draft board?
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That is what Xanders, Fox, and Elway have said since the draft.

TRR · 05-06-2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

That is what Xanders, Fox, and Elway have said since the draft.

I haven't seen an article to suggest that. Point me in that direction.
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Quesadilla Joe · 05-06-2011, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I haven't seen an article to suggest that. Point me in that direction.
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It was in a radio interview or post draft press conference. Not sure which one though....

http://www.1043thefan.com/Channels/t...spx?ID=1411328

http://www.1043thefan.com/channels/M...spx?ID=1411208

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/182...20on%20TRH.mp3

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_...&c=740&f=76695
(you are going to have to scroll down to the John Elway interview)

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_...&c=737&f=76739
(scroll down to the Brian Xanders interview)

http://www.denverbroncos.com/multime...1-583234c2708e

05-03-2011, 11:06 AM
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Yahoo.com Draft Grades http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu..._grades_050111 Bite me, if repost Denver Broncos Picks: LB Von Miller, S Rahim Moore, OT Orlando Franklin, LB Nate Irving, S Quinton Carter, TE Julius Thomas, LB Mike Mohamed, TE Virgil Green, DL Jeremy Beal. Grade: B Analysis: A good rule of thumb in the NFL (and pretty much in just about any sport) is take the bigger guy first. The Broncos went against that theory by selecting Miller over Dareus. That said, Miller is the kind of disruptive, pass-rushing force who could be a perennial Pro Bowler. He is explosive and has a great personality, ingredients for becoming a great player and leader. The rest of the draft was very wise. In particular, getting Moore to rejuvenate an ancient secondary was critical (plus backing up that pick with Carter in the fourth round). Throw in the selections of Franklin and Irving and you have a draft that could easily feature four or five starters. That’s exactly what the Broncos had to get in this draft. Kansas City Chiefs Picks: WR Jonathan Baldwin, C Rodney Hudson, LB Justin Houston(notes), DE Allen Bailey(notes), CB Jalil Brown, QB Ricky Stanzi, LB Gabe Miller, DT Jerrell Powe, FB Shane Bannon. Grade: B- Analysis: The Chiefs moved back six spots in the first round and still got an offensive weapon who may start right away in Baldwin. The 6-foot-5 Baldwin is a beast and gives the team a great complement to Dwayne Bowe. However, like Bowe, Baldwin can be a bit of a head case. For instance, he had the gall to complain that the Pitt coaching staff was not throwing to him very much because they wanted to hurt his draft stock. Second-rounder Hudson should start this year or next depending on what happens with Casey Wiegmann. Third-round picks OLB Justin Houston and DE Allen Bailey could easily become starters as rookies. Neither figures to ever be great, but both should be solid starters. Oakland Raiders Picks: C Stefen Wisniewski, CB Demarcus Van Dyke , OL Joseph Barksdale, CB Chimdi Chekwa, RB Taiwan Jones, WR Denarius Moore, TE Richard Gordon, WR David Ausberry . Grade: B+ Analysis: The Raiders get credit for getting DL Richard Seymour two seasons ago with the first-round pick they gave up from this year. Seymour has turned out to be a fine acquisition, even if he’s getting long in the tooth. Starting there, this draft simply reeks of Raiderdom, starting with the selection of Wisniewski in the second round. The latest Wiz will not only play for his uncle, former Raider great Steve Wisniewski, but will probably start from Day 1 because starter Samson Satele just wasn’t that good the past two years. From there, the Raiders basically drafted a 4 x 100 relay team with Van Dyke, Chekwa, Jones and Moore. The Raiders are nothing if not consistent. San Diego Chargers Picks: DT Corey Liuget, CB Marcus Gilchrist, LB Jonas Mouton, WR Vincent Brown, CB Shareece Wright, RB Jordan Todman, OL Steven Schilling, LB Andrew Gachkar. Grade: B Analysis: As you can tell, this draft screams defense as four of the top five picks (all in the first three rounds) were on that side of the ball. That started with Liuget at No. 18 overall. Liuget may not be the most dynamic lineman out there, but he’s solid across the board and could play any spot in San Diego’s three-man front. From there, the selection of Gilchrist (who can also line up at cornerback) and Wright restore some much-needed depth in the secondary. Mouton has more than a few detractors, many who say he’s just not that tough, but he’s a very good athlete who is learning to play in the front seven. NO WAY is the Chiefs draft the least of this division. Last edited by BigMeatballDave; 05-03-2011 at 11:12 AM..
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05-05-2011, 09:03 AM	#142
Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	The key to drafting well is to move up\down until BPA fills a need. Also, if there was ever a year to put extra emphasis on need, its this one. __________________ Today is not a good day to be a pussy.
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05-05-2011, 03:59 PM	#144
Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	The FA period is going to be greatly abbreviated, and the class is pretty much Nnamdi and a bunch of garbage. As far a luck goes, you have to make it work. Pioli did a masterful job of it. __________________ Today is not a good day to be a pussy.
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