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Old 11-27-2012, 10:10 AM  
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The fact that no one has been fired
means that they are purposely trolling the league for the first pick, and everyone is in on it.

At the end of the season, Romeo will retire. Pioli brings in a new coach, buying himself 2 years with a rookie qb and the new staff, and Hunt lets fat Scott ride out the contract extension that he foolishly offered before the season began.

These are my concerns.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:10 PM   #136
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It has nothing to do with the qb's and many people on here use the same excuse for Baldwins sucking.
My bad. I was under the impression the guy that takes ball from between the other guys legs was supposed to find the other guys running around even if it isn't the first option and get them the ball.

I also mentioned Daboll. You ignored that part.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:13 PM   #137
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Don't agree with the 1st part; agree with the second.

Breaston has only played recently due to injuries. He's been a healthy scratch. That means, he isn't valuable or desired or he's pissed somebody off.
Or it means that our coaching staff is a bunch of morons.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:14 PM   #138
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Or it means that our coaching staff is a bunch of morons.
Yup...
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:17 PM   #139
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Sorry Laz, but they have worn me out.

Are you really convinced they will draft a QB #1 overall, or even draft one in the first round?

We all know they should, but the evidence says they won't.

I would bet higher on them trading the pick for a Flacco type and getting another pick to use on an LSU D-lineman, a CB, WR, or LT to replace a FA Albert.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:20 PM   #140
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Pioli is almost irrelevant

Quality coaching
Geno Smith
Tavon Austin(or other speed WR)

these 3 things will bring a huge turn around imo
Pioli is far from irrelevant.

He hires the coaches. Therefore the chances of getting QUALITY coaching is slim to none if he is still in charge.

Unless you consider Josh McDaniel or Eric Mangini to be "quality".
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:22 PM   #141
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Sorry Laz, but they have worn me out.

Are you really convinced they will draft a QB #1 overall, or even draft one in the first round?

We all know they should, but the evidence says they won't.

I would bet higher on them trading the pick for a Flacco type and getting another pick to use on an LSU D-lineman, a CB, WR, or LT to replace a FA Albert.
What evidence do you have that they WON'T draft a QB #1 overall?

They've never had the #1 pick, so there's no "evidence" that they'll do anything.

However, there's STRONG evidence that the fanbase is bordering on outright revolt and there's INDISPUTABLE evidence that the stadium is half-full.

They really don't have a choice.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:23 PM   #142
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Or it means that our coaching staff is a bunch of morons.
I'd place money on this.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:26 PM   #143
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:30 PM   #144
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Pioli is almost irrelevant

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Tavon Austin(or other speed WR)

these 3 things will bring a huge turn around imo
Pioli is 0-2 in that department. 0-4 on the QBs that have played for him am counting the backups. I doupt Pioli is going to pick the QB with our first pick he will likely trade down as it will be to tempting to take offers. So he is a major factor going forward with this team. He needs gone out of the picture.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:34 PM   #145
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Or it means that our coaching staff is a bunch of morons.
That is just common knowledge.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:35 PM   #146
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What evidence do you have that they WON'T draft a QB #1 overall?

They've never had the #1 pick, so there's no "evidence" that they'll do anything.

However, there's STRONG evidence that the fanbase is bordering on outright revolt and there's INDISPUTABLE evidence that the stadium is half-full.

They really don't have a choice.
I know they have never had the number 1 pick, in fact the #3 overall pick that the current GM used on Tyson ****ing Jackson is the highest pick they have had since the #2 overall picks of Mike Bell, Neil Smith and Art Still.

That is some pretty good evidence, 4 top three picks, all DL.

Nobody can deny, their procedure for putting butts in the seats in previous years was to acquire an experienced mediocre QB that can get some wins.

Do Clark Hunt and his staff think this fan base has the patience to allow a rookie QB to succeed? I don't.

If they did, we would have seen Stanzi already.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:42 PM   #147
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I know they have never had the number 1 pick, in fact the #3 overall pick that the current GM used on Tyson ****ing Jackson is the highest pick they have had since the #2 overall picks of Mike Bell, Neil Smith and Art Still.

That is some pretty good evidence, 4 top three picks, all DL.
All of those players were taken before the advent of modern football. There was no free agency, no rookie salary slotting, none of that.

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Nobody can deny, their procedure for putting butts in the seats in previous years was to acquire an experienced mediocre QB that can get some wins.
And nobody can deny that said approach is no longer putting butts in the seats. That stopped around 1999.

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Do Clark Hunt and his staff think this fan base has the patience to allow a rookie QB to succeed? I don't.

If they did, we would have seen Stanzi already.
The reason we haven't seen Stanzi is because they think Cassel and/or Quinn is BETTER.

Do you HONESTLY think the reason they haven't played Stanzi is because they think it will cost them ticket sales?

If so, you're damaged past to point of no return. Take a couple of years off from this team, dude.
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Pioli is 0-2 in that department. 0-4 on the QBs that have played for him am counting the backups. I doupt Pioli is going to pick the QB with our first pick he will likely trade down as it will be to tempting to take offers. So he is a major factor going forward with this team. He needs gone out of the picture.
Yep.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:54 PM   #149
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All of those players were taken before the advent of modern football. There was no free agency, no rookie salary slotting, none of that.
Neil Smith left as a free agent, but yeah, things have changed in that regard, no doubt. But it is still the Hunt owned Chiefs doing things the same old way.


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And nobody can deny that said approach is no longer putting butts in the seats. That stopped around 1999.
But yet, they keep doing the other things the same old way. DaBoll is Hackett/Rae 2.0 and Cassel/Quinn are Grbac/Gannon/Craig/DeBerg .20 recycled QBs.

They have shown me zero reason to believe they have changed anything.


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The reason we haven't seen Stanzi is because they think Cassel and/or Quinn is BETTER.
Exactly, and gives the 1-9 team a better chance to get a ****ing win now and take some heat off.
Exactly, win now with a crap recycled QB instead of letting a Chiefs drafted QB play when things are clearly lost for the season. They saw the fan reaction to Brodie Croyle when he didn't show success right away.
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Do you HONESTLY think the reason they haven't played Stanzi is because they think it will cost them ticket sales?
Wins, which result in ticket sales.
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If so, you're damaged past to point of no return. Take a couple of years off from this team, dude.
Oh I am Parker, backing way the hell off. Thanks. As I said the other day, I am becoming more like a gawker in the opposing lane looking at a bad wreck, hoping nobody got hurt.
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I know they have never had the number 1 pick, in fact the #3 overall pick that the current GM used on Tyson ****ing Jackson is the highest pick they have had since the #2 overall picks of Mike Bell, Neil Smith and Art Still.

That is some pretty good evidence, 4 top three picks, all DL.

Nobody can deny, their procedure for putting butts in the seats in previous years was to acquire an experienced mediocre QB that can get some wins.

Do Clark Hunt and his staff think this fan base has the patience to allow a rookie QB to succeed? I don't.

If they did, we would have seen Stanzi already.
Or Stanzi may just not be a good NFL QB. If you can't beat out Quinn or Cassel...I'm not saying I wouldn't want to give him a chance, but he should have seen the field with a 1-10 team. If for nothing else, just seeing if something...ANYTHING works.

You're absolutely right, the Chiefs never draft QB's in the 1st. But I think with the recent success of some rookie QB's, combined with the lack of ANY shred of hope at the QB position since Green went down, the fanbase (even the complete idiots) will give a 1st rd draft pick the time they need to acclimate to the NFL. They have tried drafting DL in the 1st and have been met with nothing but failure.

I'm hopeful that the ungodly amount of sucktitude this team has fielded this season, will give reason to fire Pioli/Crennel/Daboll, hire a solid GM/HC/OC that breaks the cycle, drafts the 1st RD QB that we desperately need, and overhaul the team and immediately puts them back on track to where they should be.

If they don't, and we start next season with Pioli, a minion HC, and a re-tread QB, I'll be convinced, once and for all, that Clark doesn't have any desire to field a quality team.
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