Royals (New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository - Page 106

duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

BigCatDaddy · 09-28-2013, 01:05 PM

Wedge said he isn't returning to Seattle. Is he an upgrade? Obviously he has had some playoff success.

Prison Bitch · 09-28-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Wedge said he isn't returning to Seattle. Is he an upgrade? Obviously he has had some playoff success.

Wouldn't it be funny to fire a guy who won the 2nd most games in the past 30 years of Royals baseball, and replace him with a guy who finished 20 below .500 and had seizures during the season?

I mean, that shit is just plain funny.

TambaBerry · 09-28-2013, 01:21 PM

I fully believe yost lost us by his self atleast 10 games

teedubya · 09-28-2013, 01:32 PM

I wish the Royals had hired Francona last offseason...

http://deadspin.com/cleveland-beat-e...ice-1417901157

He's hilarious... and a winner.

CaliforniaChief · 09-28-2013, 01:35 PM

So everyone who's saying Yost lost 10, 12 however many games...did he win any? I mean, you have to be somewhat honest intellectually and say that there's some hyperbole here.

There are the tactical things, and then there's the intangible factors like chemistry, resilience, etc that are hard to measure.

Not saying Yost is the guy, but c'mon.

Prison Bitch · 09-28-2013, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tambaberry

I fully believe yost lost us by his self atleast 10 games

Naw it was like 54

BlackHelicopters · 09-28-2013, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tambaberry

I fully believe yost lost us by his self atleast 10 games

10 games is a lot. How many did he win?

TambaBerry · 09-28-2013, 04:20 PM

With his terrible lineups for half the season, and his questionable pitching decisions. He lost us more then he won us.

CoMoChief · 09-28-2013, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tambaberry

I fully believe yost lost us by his self atleast 10 games

I think it's closer to 20

CoMoChief · 09-28-2013, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

So everyone who's saying Yost lost 10, 12 however many games...did he win any? I mean, you have to be somewhat honest intellectually and say that there's some hyperbole here.

There are the tactical things, and then there's the intangible factors like chemistry, resilience, etc that are hard to measure.

Not saying Yost is the guy, but c'mon.

The guy was fired in Milwaukee during the middle of a f'n playoff chase for doing the same kinda shit he did to the Royals this season.

teedubya · 09-28-2013, 04:34 PM

I've conferred with Duncan_Idaho and I did some sabremetrics... it appears that Yost cost the Royals 17.2 games.

Paniero · 09-28-2013, 05:35 PM

I felt a level of excitement about the Royals this season that I haven't felt in years, and any true Royal fan will admit the same after getting over how disappointing missing the wild card was.

bsp4444 · 09-28-2013, 05:55 PM

Charlie Manuel, anyone? Dude is old but can get hitters to hit.

WhawhaWhat · 09-28-2013, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I think it's closer to 20

100

Deberg_1990 · 09-28-2013, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya

I wish the Royals had hired Francona last offseason...

http://deadspin.com/cleveland-beat-e...ice-1417901157

He's hilarious... and a winner.

This......

If only the Royals had gone just .500 in May....basically win six more games......

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1480308	(New) 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository New thread, this time with more burst. Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?
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09-28-2013, 01:05 PM	#1576
BigCatDaddy The Beast Inside Your Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $1749122	Wedge said he isn't returning to Seattle. Is he an upgrade? Obviously he has had some playoff success.
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09-28-2013, 01:21 PM	#1578
TambaBerry MVP Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $1425541	I fully believe yost lost us by his self atleast 10 games
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09-28-2013, 01:32 PM	#1579
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9470002	I wish the Royals had hired Francona last offseason... http://deadspin.com/cleveland-beat-e...ice-1417901157 He's hilarious... and a winner.
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09-28-2013, 01:35 PM	#1580
CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $12332899	So everyone who's saying Yost lost 10, 12 however many games...did he win any? I mean, you have to be somewhat honest intellectually and say that there's some hyperbole here. There are the tactical things, and then there's the intangible factors like chemistry, resilience, etc that are hard to measure. Not saying Yost is the guy, but c'mon.
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09-28-2013, 04:20 PM	#1583
TambaBerry MVP Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $1425541	With his terrible lineups for half the season, and his questionable pitching decisions. He lost us more then he won us.
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09-28-2013, 04:34 PM	#1586
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9470002	I've conferred with Duncan_Idaho and I did some sabremetrics... it appears that Yost cost the Royals 17.2 games.
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09-28-2013, 05:35 PM	#1587
Paniero Chief Boot Knocker Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $8976756	I felt a level of excitement about the Royals this season that I haven't felt in years, and any true Royal fan will admit the same after getting over how disappointing missing the wild card was. __________________ The Devil of DFW.
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09-28-2013, 05:55 PM	#1588
bsp4444 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Blue Springs, MO Casino cash: $1415305	Charlie Manuel, anyone? Dude is old but can get hitters to hit.
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