Keep fucking doubting Trent Green... - Page 11

11-19-2002, 10:05 AM

Bledsoe
Brady
Brooks
McNabb
Warner
Gannon(and his noodle arm)
Brees
Vick
Culpepper
Favre
Garcia

I like what I see of Pennington, Bulger, Carr and Harrington also.

Make no mistake....I'm pleased with the way Green has played this year for the most part.(especially when comparing last year)...but McNabb threw for more yards and 4 TD's with a broken leg...

Green has completed some long passes to Kennison.....if I get time I'll try to look up some average completion yards.....You'll find the majority of Greens are short, and swing passes/screens to Holmes.

I've also seen Green pretty consistently underthrow and or miss open WR downfield.

He's playing with heart and doing an acceptable job.....but to say he is a top QB in the league...is reaching...IMO.(which I'm entitled to)

Do your own Number comparisons here:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerindex/POS_QB

The numbers speak for themselves.....Bulger is blowing Green out of the water the past 5 games...and he was a 3rd string QB.

Mark M · 11-19-2002, 10:39 AM

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philfree · 11-19-2002, 10:41 AM

QB Stats

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Green has completed some long passes to Kennison.....if I get time I'll try to look up some average completion yards.....You'll find the majority of Greens are short, and swing passes/screens to Holmes.

Trent is 4th in the league in YPA.

What McNabb did on sunday was one of the all time gutsy performances by an NFL QB. Unbelieveable! I don't think we should try and hold that as the standard for QBs though. It's more like the pennacle.

PhilFree

11-19-2002, 10:49 AM

Phill,

Is that taking into account all the 3 yard "gannon passes" to Holmes who runs for 25yac?

I'm looking....and I'm just not seeing the #'s of completions to a WR that I'd expect from a top flight QB....but I am noticing ALOT of underthrown balls in their general direction.

Using your same stat source....could you please show me where the KC WR is located in the top 25 in the league?
http://football.espn.go.com/nfl/stat...on=2&year=2002

NewChief · 11-19-2002, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Iowanian

..but I am noticing ALOT of underthrown balls in their general direction.

Where do you get the stats for underthrown balls? I didn't realize that the NFL was assigning errors these days.

11-19-2002, 10:56 AM

Its not a stat....watch the games.

You'll know the underthrown balls when you see them.....they're the ones that bounce 5 yards behind the wide open WR 30yards downfield.

I'm not saying Green sucks. Don't mistake my argument...but he isn't a top flight, frachise type QB.

htismaqe · 11-19-2002, 10:57 AM

Where do you get the stats for underthrown balls?

He watches the games.

Now there's a novel idea...

htismaqe · 11-19-2002, 10:58 AM

I'm not saying Green sucks. Don't mistake my argument...but he isn't a top flight, frachise type QB.

You can't have it both ways, Roy. Either you think he sucks or you don't. The world is black and white and this is an either/or proposition.

So choose already you ****head ****ing mother ****er...

stevieray · 11-19-2002, 10:59 AM

Only Green is not allowed to have an errant throw. Every other QB is allowed...

philfree · 11-19-2002, 11:03 AM

WR Stats

Quote:

Using your same stat source....could you please show me where the KC WR is located in the top 25 in the league?

Atcually Kennison is 26th in the league, however, he does lead the league in Yard Per Catch and he ain't getting that from the YAC.
IMO here lately Trents misses have been over thrown as much as anything.

PhilFree

NewChief · 11-19-2002, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by htismaqe
Where do you get the stats for underthrown balls?

He watches the games.

Now there's a novel idea...

You miss my point:

If you all refuse to see where subjectivity comes into the viewing of a game, then I can't really help you out.

I'll be the first to admit that my opinions definitely cloud the way I watch the game. I'd hope that you all can do the same, but I doubt it. You feel that you're totally objective and have no preferences that might shade the way you perceive things while watching a game.

Trent makes bad throws, bad decisions, etc...

The receivers also run the wrong routes, fall down, and drop passes.

However, the person that stakes their Chiefsplanet reputation on Green failing, tends to key in on Trent's mistakes. The person that stakes their reputation on Green succeeding might key in on the receivers' mistakes. Now, since this isn't a black and white world, I'm willing to acknowledge that there are lesser degrees of biases to watch a game through, but everyone still has their little Green/Anti-Green colored glasses, in my opinion, even if some of them might be significantly lighter or darker in shade.

11-19-2002, 11:06 AM

Stevie,

I don't expect any qb to go 25-25 every week. Green is making me happy by not throwing 2-3 ints per game. says alot for my qb expectations huh.

I think he is doing alright this year. Flip the Script.
How many of you guys that want to spoon in the nude with Green after a long warm shower think he deserves a top 10 QB contract after the season?

11-19-2002, 11:11 AM

and his RB Priest Holmes is 14th in receptions.....alot of those sure are 75 yard bombs.

Kennison has what...33 receptions......doing a sort on receptions and Holmes is the only "reciever" Green has thrown to enough to be in the top 50...but I'll have to dig further on another list that allows me to search low enough to find a KC WR in receptions.....the top 50 list ends at 39receptions.

while, one can find 2 Buffalo WRs in the top 5. The difference? Bledsoe throws the ball down field.(also credit wr talent in Buff.)

htismaqe · 11-19-2002, 11:13 AM

However, the person that stakes their Chiefsplanet reputation on Green failing, tends to key in on Trent's mistakes. The person that stakes their reputation on Green succeeding might key in on the receivers' mistakes.

How about the MAJORITY of us, who would like to see marginal improvement from both Green AND the WR's, as well as major improvement in the defense?

Labelling us doubters is rather pretentious, don't you think?

Taco John · 11-19-2002, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevieray
Only Green is not allowed to have an errant throw. Every other QB is allowed...

You know... Nothing against you or your little argument here (which I've seen other people use ie. Titus)... But it's incredibly weak. Tell Kordell Stewart that he's allowed to have errant throws... Or Jay Fiedler... Or Brian Griese... Or Jeff Garcia... There are few quarterbacks that are given leeway on errant throws... and the ones that are have earned it by being Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, or Donovan McNabb...

Get over it. Until TrINT Green wins something worthwhile, he's going to get criticized by the Chiefs fan base.

11-19-2002, 10:05 AM	#1
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	Bledsoe Brady Brooks McNabb Warner Gannon(and his noodle arm) Brees Vick Culpepper Favre Garcia I like what I see of Pennington, Bulger, Carr and Harrington also. Make no mistake....I'm pleased with the way Green has played this year for the most part.(especially when comparing last year)...but McNabb threw for more yards and 4 TD's with a broken leg... Green has completed some long passes to Kennison.....if I get time I'll try to look up some average completion yards.....You'll find the majority of Greens are short, and swing passes/screens to Holmes. I've also seen Green pretty consistently underthrow and or miss open WR downfield. He's playing with heart and doing an acceptable job.....but to say he is a top QB in the league...is reaching...IMO.(which I'm entitled to) Do your own Number comparisons here: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerindex/POS_QB The numbers speak for themselves.....Bulger is blowing Green out of the water the past 5 games...and he was a 3rd string QB.
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11-19-2002, 10:39 AM	#2
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11-19-2002, 10:49 AM	#4
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	Phill, Is that taking into account all the 3 yard "gannon passes" to Holmes who runs for 25yac? I'm looking....and I'm just not seeing the #'s of completions to a WR that I'd expect from a top flight QB....but I am noticing ALOT of underthrown balls in their general direction. Using your same stat source....could you please show me where the KC WR is located in the top 25 in the league? http://football.espn.go.com/nfl/stat...on=2&year=2002
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11-19-2002, 10:56 AM	#6
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	Its not a stat....watch the games. You'll know the underthrown balls when you see them.....they're the ones that bounce 5 yards behind the wide open WR 30yards downfield. I'm not saying Green sucks. Don't mistake my argument...but he isn't a top flight, frachise type QB.
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11-19-2002, 10:57 AM	#7
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11-19-2002, 10:58 AM	#8
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	I'm not saying Green sucks. Don't mistake my argument...but he isn't a top flight, frachise type QB. You can't have it both ways, Roy. Either you think he sucks or you don't. The world is black and white and this is an either/or proposition. So choose already you **head ing mother **er...
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11-19-2002, 11:06 AM	#12
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	Stevie, I don't expect any qb to go 25-25 every week. Green is making me happy by not throwing 2-3 ints per game. says alot for my qb expectations huh. I think he is doing alright this year. Flip the Script. How many of you guys that want to spoon in the nude with Green after a long warm shower think he deserves a top 10 QB contract after the season?
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11-19-2002, 11:11 AM	#13
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	and his RB Priest Holmes is 14th in receptions.....alot of those sure are 75 yard bombs. Kennison has what...33 receptions......doing a sort on receptions and Holmes is the only "reciever" Green has thrown to enough to be in the top 50...but I'll have to dig further on another list that allows me to search low enough to find a KC WR in receptions.....the top 50 list ends at 39receptions. while, one can find 2 Buffalo WRs in the top 5. The difference? Bledsoe throws the ball down field.(also credit wr talent in Buff.)
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11-19-2002, 11:13 AM	#14
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	However, the person that stakes their Chiefsplanet reputation on Green failing, tends to key in on Trent's mistakes. The person that stakes their reputation on Green succeeding might key in on the receivers' mistakes. How about the MAJORITY of us, who would like to see marginal improvement from both Green AND the WR's, as well as major improvement in the defense? Labelling us doubters is rather pretentious, don't you think?
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