LT Eugene Monroe in round 1? Pioli-Haley-Groh-Albert-Monroe

[T-post Tom]

Holy six degrees of separation Batman. So Charlie Casserly thinks the Chiefs are going with E. Monroe out of Virgina. I know some of you despise that idea, but I'm just repeating what he said. His theory on why Monroe makes sense:

1) Monroe has value at #3. Stud player. (Awesome Pro Day & Combine.)
2) Continuity as Albert/Monroe played together at UVA.
3) Albert/Monroe = bookends to to protect Cassel (& big $$ investment).
4) Pioli, Haley & Groh (HC at Virgina) all coached at Jets together. Groh loves Monroe. Pioli/Haley respect Groh's opinion & will listen.
5) Chiefs might be able to trade down a position or so and still get Monroe while picking up an extra pick(s).

My apologies in advance if this is a repost.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Why would you draft another T at #3?

Well, that's essentially what you're doing - drafting another left tackle.

My question is this: Albert's already proven to be a solid left tackle. Monroe hasn't played a down in the NFL. If he's your choice, why put him at left?

I know, this is a silly argument. I feel like I'm talking in circles. Personally, I'd take Stafford or Sanchez with the #3, if either are available.

A good right tackle can be found in the third round or later.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Claythan

No. Read that post again.

If we lose Albert to free agency in a few years, because he's been moved to right tackle, and wants more money than we're willing to pay a right tackle, then the best we could hope to get for him in return is a compensatory pick.

Clear?

Few years? Few years?

He'll be with the Chiefs for at least 4 more years. If 2010 goes uncapped, it becomes 5 years (free agency won't kick in until after 6 full years of service).

Albert's not a right tackle. It's just a ****ing stupid argument.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Few years? Few years?

He'll be with the Chiefs for at least 4 more years. If 2010 goes uncapped, it becomes 5 years (free agency won't kick in until after 6 full years of service).

Albert's not a right tackle. It's just a ****ing stupid argument.

Yes. This is why I chuckle whenever someone brings up that argument. Don't not move Albert because you're afraid you'll make him mad, don't move him because there's no reason to move him.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Billay, you're wrong. Get over it. Albert is the better LT of the two. His college coaches knew it, the NFL scouts know it, and luckily the Chiefs knew it.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1117437


"Many scouting departments labeled Monroe as a certain early first-round draft selection, especially based on his 2008 performance and ability to remain healthy throughout his senior year. Many of those experts feel that his strength, technique and hand placement is superior to former Virginia first-round offensive linemen, D'Brickashaw Ferguson (New York Jets) and Branden Albert (Kansas City)."

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Albert's not a right tackle. It's just a ****ing stupid argument.

I agree.

The money issue makes it an even more ****ing stupid argument!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by billay

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1117437


"Many scouting departments labeled Monroe as a certain early first-round draft selection, especially based on his 2008 performance and ability to remain healthy throughout his senior year. Many of those experts feel that his strength, technique and hand placement is superior to former Virginia first-round offensive linemen, D'Brickashaw Ferguson (New York Jets) and Branden Albert (Kansas City)."

Yay, some guy named Frank Cooney thinks Monroe will be better than Albert.

Big ****ing deal.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by billay

Right thats why Albert was drafted 15th in the Draft. You play your best player at LT its the most important position on the line. If Monroe sucked he wouldn't play LT he'd be at RT and Albert would play LT.

The reality is that Monroe was an elite prospect coming out of HS. Many promises are made to those kind of players. Coaches don't want to break those promises because that hurts their future recruiting.

Additionally, when Albert got there, Brick was at LT and Monroe was playing RT. Albert had only been playing football for a couple years, maybe three. Tackles is the more technically difficult position. But, EVEN with his limited experience, he was able to secure a starting spot in his freshman year. That is very impressive.

When Brick moved on, they put Monroe over there and left Albert alone for continuity purposes.

They are both elite prospects. It would be hard to argue which one is better because they are both very good.

But, the position they played in college isn't a good basis for an argument to which was better.

Frankly, Monroe has always been very good, not great. I think Albert will be better long term. He has more athleticsm and in my opinion, better feet.

JMO.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, what did it get the Chiefs? Nothing. Not jackshit.



Yeah, let's go ahead and have $80 million dollars wrapped up in TWO left tackles. That way, when the Chiefs have to address other needs, they won't be able to because the majority of their cap is taken by two left tackles.

Brilliant.

Get your facts straight, Albert's salary was apt for a #15 pick, not a top five. GFC, pay attention.

[Tribal Warfare]

Even at this stage Albert is a more complete OL with his skill set in comparison to Monroe, and has more potential to get better also.

[SBK]

I'm convinced most of the KC fanbase sits in front of the tv and drools during the games. No idea what's going on at all.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by SBK

I'm convinced most of the KC fanbase sits in front of the tv and drools during the games. No idea what's going on at all.

Some of these guys make Terri Schiavo look like a ****ing MENSA member.

[SBK]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Some of these guys make Terri Schiavo look like a ****ing MENSA member.

First you have the LT at all cost folks. They cannot be swayed. Then there's Curry's 12 disciples. They cannot be swayed.

Then there's the folks that tell you no QB in this draft is worth the #3 pick. AND they hope that one of them is available at 3 so some team will give up the farm to get em. Brilliant! Not worth the pick, hopefully someone will spend a fortune and give it to us to have em.

I think Mecca is right in saying fans here are scared of a QB. Even before we traded for Cassel you would get 1,000,000 arguments against drafting one, none of which were valid or logical.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

A good right tackle can be found in the third round or later.

Top tackles hard to come by at No. 22


VikingUpdate.com
Posted Apr 10, 2009


Getting a solid offensive tackle in the bottom third of the first round might sound like an easy task, but draft history over the last decade would say otherwise. There haven’t been that many taken and even fewer that have become mainstay starters.

Is there something about getting offensive tackles late in the first round?

The numbers would appear to be against the Vikings if they intend to use their first-round pick (currently No. 22) to take an offensive tackle. Since it’s too early to pass judgment on the 2008 draft as to whether the picks late in the first round are successes or not, the past decade (1998-2007) has showed that trying to get an offensive tackle in the latter portions of the first round is not only a crapshoot, but not very likely.

In that span, the only offensive tackle taken at the 22nd pick was Chris McIntosh of the Seattle Seahawks in 2000. He lasted just three years in the league before recurring neck problems forced him to retire in 2003. The bad news doesn’t stop there.

From 2001-07, there were only three offensive tackles taken on the first round that were available when the team with the 22nd pick made its selection. The 49ers took Joe Staley with the 27th pick of the 2007 draft as well as Kwame Harris with the 26th pick of the 2003 draft, while Chicago took Marc Colombo with the 29th pick of the 2002 draft. The fact that one team has taken two of the players chosen doesn’t bode well for the availability of a top offensive tackle when the Vikings pick.

That isn’t to say, however, that talent hasn’t come close. In 2005, the St. Louis Rams took Alex Barron with the 19th pick. The year before that, thanks to flip-flopping with the Vikings, the Dolphins took Vernon Carey with the 19th pick of the draft. The Lions also fit in prominently to that mix as well. George Foster, who was recently released by the Lions after being traded from Denver as part of the Dre Bly trade two years ago, was taken by the Broncos in 2003 with the 20th overall pick. In 2001, the Lions took Jeff Backus with the 18th pick. The year before that, Detroit drafted Stockar McDougle with the 20th pick. Shockingly, in 1999 the Lions also drafted Aaron Gibson (No. 27 overall) to be their tackle of the future.

You have to go all the way back to 1998 to find a time when two offensive tackles went in the final 10 picks of the first round – Mo Collins to the Raiders and Victor Riley to Kansas City. Collins played six years in the league in made 64 career starts. Riley played eight years in the league with the Chiefs, Saints and Texans and made 93 career starts.

Although the draft class at offensive tackle looks to be deep and loaded with talent, finding that talent in the final third of the first round has proved to be difficult for NFL teams. If the Vikings want to guarantee a star player, they may have to move up, because history isn’t exactly on their side with this one.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Top tackles hard to come by at No. 22


VikingUpdate.com
Posted Apr 10, 2009

Look Dummy, I said RIGHT TACKLE.

And clearly, this writer didn't do any research because this draft is the deepest draft for offensive lineman in probably the history of the NFL.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Get your facts straight, Albert's salary was apt for a #15 pick, not a top five. GFC, pay attention.

Again, Dummy, does that make it okay to pay Monroe $50 million? So in the next four years, you're going to have upwards of $80 million invested in 2 left tackles?