Would you give Jones 3/100m or trade him?

[FringeNC]

Generally, it's a bad idea to give up picks to pay someone market value, and that's what you would be doing with Chris Jones if another team was willing to give you a 1st rounder. If nobody gives you a first, I would sign him.

[penguinz]

His cap hit is 27M for 2023. Extending him can bring that number down considerably.

He is also by far the best DLineman on the team. Next in line isn't even close.

If cap space is needed $26m can be saved by dumping Clark and MVS.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Pay him fair market value, but make sure you have out years at the end of that contract that you can get out of. You don't typically wanna pay a guy into his 30's, especially a D-Lineman. He's what? 28 now. I have no problem with extending him and paying him for his age 29, 30 & 31 seasons. I wouldn't go beyond that under any circumstance.

Aaron Donald is a bit of a cautionary tale. He played last year and balled out in his age 30 season. This year, his age 31 season, he dealt with some injuries but there was a pretty large drop off in his play overall. Think you're gonna see him continue to trend down. The Rams (unless he decides to retire) can't really get out of that contract until 2025. If they try to cut him in 2024, they'll still have almost $29 mil. in dead cap.

For the above reasons, I honestly see the Chiefs letting him play out the last year of his deal (his age 29 season) and then letting him walk. If he demands to be extended and paid this off-season, Chiefs will likely look for a trade partner and get as much draft capital for him as they can.

But, again, I would be fine with a small extension and keeping him through his age 31 season, but wouldn't go beyond that. The Chiefs will end up regretting it if they do.

Just my .02

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

I think Veach will give Jones the best deal he thinks the Chiefs can do and not hurt the franchise, not a lot of bickering. The same as he did with Tyreek, once Tyreek said no, they worked with Teams and Tyreek to get a trade done. Not much different here, if Jones wants a huge payday, he will be traded, if he wants a great payday but stay with the Chiefs, that is his choice.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

I think Veach will give Jones the best deal he thinks the Chiefs can do and not hurt the franchise, not a lot of bickering. The same as he did with Tyreek, once Tyreek said no, they worked with Teams and Tyreek to get a trade done. Not much different here, if Jones wants a huge payday, he will be traded, if he wants a great payday but stay with the Chiefs, that is his choice.

I think this is the correct course.

Pay him if you can make it work. If he wants to blow it out completely, call up Atlanta and see if they wanna give us their first for him.

[kccrow]

3/81 is the limit IMO. Anything over that is trade.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by kccrow

3/81 is the limit IMO. Anything over that is trade.

Who do you replace his production with?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Who do you replace his production with?

There are a few guys that should be out there in FA.

Javon Hargrave
Da'Ron Payne
Dre'Mont Jones

Those come to mind immediately. Not that you won't have to pay them well, but they are all closer to that 17-21m range than 33m.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kccrow

There are a few guys that should be out there in FA.

Javon Hargrave
Da'Ron Payne
Dre'Mont Jones

Those come to mind immediately. Not that you won't have to pay them well, but they are all closer to that 17-21m range than 33m.

My issue is, if you swap out say, Jones for Dre"mont Jones.

Yeah, you save money. Is that enough to actually go improve another spot enough to make up for losing Chris and all he brings? I mean, dude legit played on an Aaron Donald level this year.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by O.city

My issue is, if you swap out say, Jones for Dre"mont Jones.

Yeah, you save money. Is that enough to actually go improve another spot enough to make up for losing Chris and all he brings? I mean, dude legit played on an Aaron Donald level this year.

Well, you have to be realistic.

Is anyone 1-for-1 replacing the impact of Chris Jones? Not a chance.

Can you increase the overall impact in a 2-for-1? I think you could. Obviously, you get what we've discussed before and that's "all the cards" falling just right. For instance, if you could get Dre'Mont and Hargrave for roughly 36 per, I think that's an improvement. Chances of getting both in FA and trading Jones? Slim.

So it would likely come down to a situation like Hargrave plus a draft pick, such as Gervon Dexter at the end of 1. I think you're losing on Jones but gaining significantly over Saunders. But, you're also gaining at some other position with that other 1st round pick you'd get from trading Jones.

It's all fluid. You just don't know for certain what the impact is going to be but retaining Jones at any cost may not be the answer either. 3/100 would make Jones the highest-paid defensive player in the NFL. Would I consider it if they didn't re-sign OBj? Potentially. I think it's a bit much though. Overall, I just think we're fixated on Jones' impact and not considering the strength of having more quality players.

[O.city]

Can we just throw the Patriots thing out? I mean, that's just not gonna happen. You aren't gonna do what they did. It was a complete anomaly.

You'll have years where you're legit favorites and years where you have to reset a bit. But the Chiefs have Reid and Mahomes, the reset years they'll have a punchers chance.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by O.city

Can we just throw the Patriots thing out? I mean, that's just not gonna happen. You aren't gonna do what they did. It was a complete anomaly.

You'll have years where you're legit favorites and years where you have to reset a bit. But the Chiefs have Reid and Mahomes, the reset years they'll have a punchers chance.

I don't see why we can't do what the patriots did with belicheck and Brady??

This year everyone was saying we were going to have a bad year without Hill, and that we had to revamp the team and the receiving corps. We didn't even have a #1 WR, and probably still don't yet here we are with the #1 seed after all that offseason garbage.

The Patriots are still doing it the Patriot way and If that patriots team had Mahomes they aren't an 8-9 team. They are probably 12-4. (that's 3 more wins not anything crazy).

[Gravedigger]

Problem with going FA is that those guys will want what Jones gets, or close to it whether warranted or not, and they'll just say, "It's the price of doing business." Some of those guys are likely delusional enough to think they deserve more than Chris Jones. You're not going to replace Chris Jones' production unless it's in the draft. Chris Jones knows the system, he knows the team, he's been KC all his time here, so between FA or giving Jones a bit more, I say pay Chris Jones, or go into the draft and hope you can position yourself to get his replacement. Technically you got Jones at the top of the second round, so you could catch lightning in a bottle twice, but unlikely to be the same and at worse it would come back at you pretty hard. I would say pay him, then draft his eventual replacement to learn from him with your 1st round pick, or an edge/CB if one of those is there you like. At worst you have a bust, but at best you have a mean DLine rotation.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

I don't see why we can't do what the patriots did with belicheck and Brady??

This year everyone was saying we were going to have a bad year without Hill, and that we had to revamp the team and the receiving corps. We didn't even have a #1 WR, and probably still don't yet here we are with the #1 seed after all that offseason garbage.

The Patriots are still doing it the Patriot way and If that patriots team had Mahomes they aren't an 8-9 team. They are probably 12-4. (that's 3 more wins not anything crazy).

We tried the Patriots way and ended up with Scott Pioli.

Let the Patriots be the Patriots, and let KC be KC. We will never be able to exactly copy their model. We are behind. Brady won 3 Super Bowls his first 4 years starting.

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

We tried the Patriots way and ended up with Scott Pioli.

Let the Patriots be the Patriots, and let KC be KC. We will never be able to exactly copy their model. We are behind. Brady won 3 Super Bowls his first 4 years starting.

I still don't get what you're saying... Just because they are the patriots doesn't mean we shouldn't use what they do well. We let Tyreek walk because the organization knew that top dollar would be better spent elsewhere such as in the trenches. Brady/Mahomes during the majority of their career have always elevated their WR's. It's no wonder Randy Moss had his best career year ever under his first year with Brady..

2018 - AFC Championship Loss.
2019 - Superbowl Win
2020 - Superbowl Loss
2021 - AFC Championship Loss.
2022 - 1st seed in the AFC (TBD)

We literally are the new Patriots, not spending a shit ton of $ on RB's and WR's and drafting smart, and gaining a lot of draft capital off our quality players to replace them with rookies on small contracts or guys like JuJu who are young enough to be a quality player on a small prove it deal.