Justin Houston SHOULD be traded

[kcbubb]

Update 4/17:

I did not fully explain my rational for trading Houston in the original post. Houston should be traded because the Chiefs do not have history of paying big contracts. The most likely outcome of this negotiation is that we will franchise Houston for the next two years and then let him walk. This is an unacceptable outcome. The Chiefs have the opportunity to build the team for the long term rather than see our best player leave with nothing in return. I am assuming that the Chiefs won't pay a huge contract, and I am assuming that Houston will demand a huge contract. The likely outcome of those assumptions are Houston being franchised for two years and then leaving to get the big contract he desires from another team.

Houston will likely demand a better contract than JJ Watts because Suh's contract is really a lot more upfront money than JJ Watts' contract. Compare the two contracts here:
Suh: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dol...ndamukong-suh/
Watt: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/j.j.-watt/

Suh is getting about $50 million over the first two years where Watt is getting closer to $20 million over the first two years. I included the signing bonus in those totals. I believe that Watt's contract is now the minimum. In today's market, Houston should command a bigger contract than Watt based on the other free agents that have been signed. Here's a good article on the upward trending contracts. http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_...ource=infinite I do realize that Suh was a free agent while Watt was still under contract. But Watt signed with a year remaining on his deal. This is what we should have done with Houston. We should have signed him to a cheaper deal a year ago. Houston will most likely command a higher contract than Watt.

With all of this bad news, we could potentially have some luck. And we are due for some luck as Chiefs fans. We have waited for high draft picks to see them used on Tyson Jackson and Eric Berry. Maybe we could be fortunate and see some talent fall to us at 18 this year. I believe that there is a good chance that Randy Gregory could fall to 18. He was almost kicked off his team because of repeated pot use and he still made the choice to use pot to the point that he failed the drug test at the combine. This year has several good edge rushers and I think Gregory could fall to us because Fowler, Beasley, Ray and Dupree are such good prospects. Gregory had a 1.57 ten yard split at 6'5" and 240 lbs. He has 34" arms and did 24 reps on the bench press. His 3 cone is 6.79! http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profil...ory?id=2552446 I don't think I need to talk about Gregory too much. I think most of you know that he is a great player. I don't think that Gregory will be suspended for pot use in the future. If Gregory falls to us, we should take him and trade Houston.

If we draft Gregory, I think we have to trade Houston. We should not have that many edge rushers on the roster. The young guys need to play as much as possible and we don't need to wrap that much $$$ in one position. The value of two first round picks for Houston with Houston receiving the type of contract that he will likely command is very unlikely. We will have to take less. I have a scenario that I believe is possible and that I believe could work for us. We could trade Houston to the Colts for their 29th pick this year, 2nd & 4th round picks in 2016 and their center, Jonotthan Harrison. With the 29th pick, we should take Jalen Collins. His ability best fits our bump and run style of defense. A CB like Collins should transition quickly to our defense because of the lack of complexity.

Harrison started 10 games for the Colts last year. You can read about him here. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profil...son?id=2543578 Here's another review of Harrison. http://coltsacademy.com/?p=3743 His run blocking ability has me salivating. I don't consider Harrison a huge value, but he does fit Reid's mauler type and hopefully he can improve in pass blocking. He's a cheap addition with a cost of about $500k per year. He can provide starting experience and if we can help him in the passing game with our improved guard play because of Grubbs, he could be a suitable center for us. The Colts can afford to trade him because they have Holmes returning from injury. Holmes is the likely starter. The Colts also have the cap room to sign Houston to a strong contract if they cut either Erik Walden or Robert Mathis. Mathis was injured last year, and if he doesn't get healthy, he could be cut anyway. The Colts are in position to make a superbowl run with Houston on their team.

The Chiefs would obtain 4 players for Houston with this trade and trading Houston makes picking Gregory at 18 fit. I think this trade is possible because of the assumption that Gregory falls and a top CB like Jalen Collins is available when the Colts pick. Harrison provides us with a potential starter at Center. For a trade to work, there has to be a willing partner. I think the Colts would be a willing partner under these assumptions. And we need to trade Houston since it is likely that he will only be here for two more years. The Chiefs would have time to make the trade with the Colts after picking Gregory.

I still believe #1, #2 and #5 from my original post below still apply.

Original post from 3/12 below:

The Chiefs should trade Houston to the Jags for their 2nd round pick this year and their first round pick in 2016.

The Chiefs should do this bc:

1. Our roster does not have enough talent to make a run at the Super Bowl. Most position groups on the Chiefs roster are aging, average or below average. If we resign Houston to a JJ Watt level contract, we will mortgage our future and prohibit the rebuilding of our roster. We will have cap problems for years to come and this will limit our future potential to resign quality players and seek essential free agents.

2. The Broncos have a Super Bowl roster but this roster is aging rapidly. The Broncos are the favorites for the AFC west this year but with an aging roster and with future cap restraints the Chiefs should build for future dominance in 2016 and beyond.

3. Our 18th pick does not fit our biggest needs in 2015. We need to draft an OL early but the 18th pick is too high to draft an OL. The Chiefs should draft Bud Dupree with the 18th pick. He is a freak. Has anyone ever had a 42" vertical at 269 lbs? Check his measurables here: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...ree?id=2552289 He reminds me of Poe in that he is a freak with limited stats, but he's a worker with good character. Hali and Ford could start with Dupree rotating in and providing competition.

The second pick from the Jags allows us to take Cameron Erving, who is the most versatile player in this draft on the OL. He has experience at C, G & T. He is the highest rated C, but has the athletic ability and length to kick outside. Check his measurables here: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profil...ing?id=2552240

4. This gives us a first round pick in 2016 that could likely be a high pick. We would enter 2016 with a ton picks and have a real opportunity to build our roster and possibly select our QBOTF. We also will have the cap room to resign valuable players like Poe and etc. The future would be extremely bright in KC with all of those picks!

5. Houston scares me a little in that he could be another free agent that signs a big contract but doesn't produce. We just did that with Bowe. I'd rather move forward with multiple picks and give us a better chance of getting a Super Bowl in the future. Plus, we have Hali that can temporarily fill the void. Dee Ford needs to play also. You don't spend a first round pick on a non QB to let them sit the bench.

In summary, this is an exception to the rule of resigning a quality player at an important position. We have starters at the position. Our roster needs to be rebuilt. The draft favors this trade with value in Dupree rather than OL at 18. We get two #1s in 2016, and there is always the possibility that Houston doesn't produce after the big contract.

[Mother****erJones]

Stupid ****ing trade

[Saccopoo]

[mdchiefsfan]

[jd1020]

Read the title and immediately expected this to be an OldSchool thread.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

The Chiefs should trade Houston to the Jags for their 2nd round pick this year and their first round pick in 2016.

The Chiefs should do this bc:

1. Our roster does not have enough talent to make a run at the Super Bowl. Most position groups on the Chiefs roster are aging, average or below average. If we resign Houston to a JJ Watt level contract, we will mortgage our future and prohibit the rebuilding of our roster. We will have cap problems for years to come and this will limit our future potential to resign quality players and seek essential free agents.

2. The Broncos have a Super Bowl roster but this roster is aging rapidly. The Broncos are the favorites for the AFC west this year but with an aging roster and with future cap restraints the Chiefs should build for future dominance in 2016 and beyond.

3. Our 18th pick does not fit our biggest needs in 2015. We need to draft an OL early but the 18th pick is too high to draft an OL. The Chiefs should draft Bud Dupree with the 18th pick. He is a freak. Has anyone ever had a 42" vertical at 269 lbs? Check his measurables here: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...ree?id=2552289 He reminds me of Poe in that he is a freak with limited stats, but he's a worker with good character. Hali and Ford could start with Dupree rotating in and providing competition.

The second pick from the Jags allows us to take Cameron Erving, who is the most versatile player in this draft on the OL. He has experience at C, G & T. He is the highest rated C, but has the athletic ability and length to kick outside. Check his measurables here: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profil...ing?id=2552240

4. This gives us a first round pick in 2016 that could likely be a high pick. We would enter 2016 with a ton picks and have a real opportunity to build our roster and possibly select our QBOTF. We also will have the cap room to resign valuable players like Poe and etc. The future would be extremely bright in KC with all of those picks!

5. Houston scares me a little in that he could be another free agent that signs a big contract but doesn't produce. We just did that with Bowe. I'd rather move forward with multiple picks and give us a better chance of getting a Super Bowl in the future. Plus, we have Hali that can temporarily fill the void. Dee Ford needs to play also. You don't spend a first round pick on a non QB to let them sit the bench.

In summary, this is an exception to the rule of resigning a quality player at an important position. We have starters at the position. Our roster needs to be rebuilt. The draft favors this trade with value in Dupree rather than OL at 18. We get two #1s in 2016, and there is always the possibility that Houston doesn't produce after the big contract.

You SHOULD be banned for suggesting this...

[Mr. Flopnuts]

WTF?

[beach tribe]

You want us to trade Houston so that we can draft an O-lineman?

Take a big step back.
Now literally **** YOUR OWN FACE!!!!!

[J Diddy]

KC nut stub is a creation of madden.

Think about that.

[FlaChief58]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

You want us to trade Houston so that we can draft an O-lineman?

Take a big step back.
Now literally **** YOUR OWN FACE!!!!!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You SHOULD be bent over in a Juarez alleyway.

[Psyko Tek]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

The Chiefs should trade Houston to the Jags for their 2nd round pick this year and their first round pick in 2016.

The Chiefs should do this bc:

1. Our roster does not have enough talent to make a run at the Super Bowl. Most position groups on the Chiefs roster are aging, average or below average. If we resign Houston to a JJ Watt level contract, we will mortgage our future and prohibit the rebuilding of our roster. We will have cap problems for years to come and this will limit our future potential to resign quality players and seek essential free agents.

2. The Broncos have a Super Bowl roster but this roster is aging rapidly. The Broncos are the favorites for the AFC west this year but with an aging roster and with future cap restraints the Chiefs should build for future dominance in 2016 and beyond.

3. Our 18th pick does not fit our biggest needs in 2015. We need to draft an OL early but the 18th pick is too high to draft an OL. The Chiefs should draft Bud Dupree with the 18th pick. He is a freak. Has anyone ever had a 42" vertical at 269 lbs? Check his measurables here: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/...ree?id=2552289 He reminds me of Poe in that he is a freak with limited stats, but he's a worker with good character. Hali and Ford could start with Dupree rotating in and providing competition.

The second pick from the Jags allows us to take Cameron Erving, who is the most versatile player in this draft on the OL. He has experience at C, G & T. He is the highest rated C, but has the athletic ability and length to kick outside. Check his measurables here: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profil...ing?id=2552240

4. This gives us a first round pick in 2016 that could likely be a high pick. We would enter 2016 with a ton picks and have a real opportunity to build our roster and possibly select our QBOTF. We also will have the cap room to resign valuable players like Poe and etc. The future would be extremely bright in KC with all of those picks!

5. Houston scares me a little in that he could be another free agent that signs a big contract but doesn't produce. We just did that with Bowe. I'd rather move forward with multiple picks and give us a better chance of getting a Super Bowl in the future. Plus, we have Hali that can temporarily fill the void. Dee Ford needs to play also. You don't spend a first round pick on a non QB to let them sit the bench.

In summary, this is an exception to the rule of resigning a quality player at an important position. We have starters at the position. Our roster needs to be rebuilt. The draft favors this trade with value in Dupree rather than OL at 18. We get two #1s in 2016, and there is always the possibility that Houston doesn't produce after the big contract.

How ****ing long have we been rebuilding?
**** THAT
keep good player, this man is special
get rid of chicken shit QB and offensive genious head coach and ****ing play football
give me a idiot Qb with a big arm, JC, a great D, and a decnet Oline
and lets win some ****ing games

[okcchief]

Unless Houston is a problem and doesn't want to be in KC you don't trade him.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So basically you are advocating for a strategy that calls for trading any player that becomes good enough to leverage beyond what you term a "reasonable contract", i.e. a player such as Justin Houston after their rookie contract expires.

Not at all. There are many factors that make this situation different. A big one that I didn't mention was that Houston doesn't want to be here unless he gets crazy money.

[kcbubb]

The Chiefs currently have the least cap room of any team in the league. I'm sure a few contracts can be restructured but we will not have the cap room that many teams have.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

I guess we will find out who is right. It shouldn't be hard for other teams to make an offer that we can't match after the draft. I think Houston is valuable enough to get two late first round picks in 16 & 17 as trade compensation. I'm guessing that he's gone bc we don't have the cap room to match an offer and he is worth the trade.

[kcbubb]

Ranked 32 Kansas City Chiefs $354,415 cap space