LET THE CONTROVERSY BEGIN - Page 11

Zman · 11-07-2006, 02:33 PM

This just hit the Kansas City Star

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/15951883.htm

**Easy 6** · 11-07-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I can tell by your posts...

Dont you have some tables to wait on??? Or a class about something i knew 15 years ago to go to???

**dirk digler** · 11-07-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

I think everyone on this board knows that.

However, and it PAINS me to say this...Green was a system QB. It's that simple.

Aren't all QB's system QB's? I mean you don't take Vick and have him run the run and shoot.

RINGLEADER · 11-07-2006, 05:24 PM

This is the dynamic that I don't think a lot of people are addressing. Stick with the hot hand. Because I can tell you that the level of second-guessing and finger-pointing (among fans, players, coaches, and the media - for what they're worth) is going to go through the roof if Trent comes back for the Oakland game, plays bad and we lose. If Damon is in there and that happens then you make the change. The loss would suck but I don't think anyone would be laying it on Damon after the way he's played. He really is playing like a Pro-Bowl quarterback right now.

And for all the people who say that Damon can't move the ball as well as Trent I just point to the four games this season where we had leads, the other team fought back, but then Damon put together long scoring drives to seal the deal. San Diego, Arizona, Seattle, and St. Louis all scratched back into the game (or took the lead) but Damon put 'em away.

I'm not anti-Trent or anti-Damon. I'm pro-winning. And right now the team is gel'd around Damon, moving the ball well and scoring lots of points. Why screw with a good thing? I haven't heard anyone explain to me what the good reason is to do that. So we can -maybe- get 35 points instead of 31?

Anyway, I stand behind Herm whatever the decision. Just think you play the hot hand until it gets cool.

**Dartgod** · 11-07-2006, 05:24 PM

In a nutshell. Who would you rather have starting a playoff game for the Chiefs? A career backup? Or someone who has actually played in a playoff game?

**Rain Man** · 11-07-2006, 05:28 PM

A note to Trent and Damon:

If you guys read this site, I just want to let you know that no matter what happens, I love both of you guys like the brothers I never had. If we were all out in the ocean and I could only save one of you, I'd give you both the life jacket and sacrifice myself.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-07-2006, 05:28 PM

If Trent gets the job back, and he stinks, how many of you will blame Herm for making the switch?

You stick with the hot hand in sports. Put your ego aside, forget the past because it doesn't mean one thing toward the immediate future.

Huard has 11 TDs and 1 pick. To say that Huard hasn't won any, but kept the team from losing is ridiculous.

He did something that Trent Green couldn't do last week. Win on the road. I love Trent, but this is out of hand already.

Don't feed me the "well LJ ran for 170 line," either. LJ ran for a billion yards against the Giants and Cowboys and we both lost those.

RINGLEADER · 11-07-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

In a nutshell. Who would you rather have starting a playoff game for the Chiefs? A career backup? Or someone who has actually played in a playoff game?

Right now I'd rather have Damon. He's got the team behind him and he seems to be emotional about everything going on during the game. I can't remember the last time Trent Green got in someone's face and screamed at them for dropping a sure touch-down...least of all Larry Johnson.

Again, I'm perfectly OK with Trent being the starter against Oakland...just not a move I would make and not a move that there is any reason to make.

siberian khatru · 11-07-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Anyway, I stand behind Herm whatever the decision. Just think you play the hot hand until it gets cool.

And when is that? When he throws a pick-6? When we lose one game?

I'm not disagreeing with your analysis, just saying that I think it's a no-win for Herm. No matter who he chooses, each mistake by that guy is gonna be intensely magnified. Either will almost have to play perfectly to keep the jackals off his back.

Fish · 11-07-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Why screw with a good thing? I haven't heard anyone explain to me what the good reason is to do that.

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Originally Posted by dartgod

In a nutshell. Who would you rather have starting a playoff game for the Chiefs? A career backup? Or someone who has actually played in a playoff game?

**Rain Man** · 11-07-2006, 05:37 PM

I wonder if the Raiders would trade for one of them in exchange for ... for ... eh, the Raiders don't have anything we want.

**Dartgod** · 11-07-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I wonder if the Raiders would trade for one of them in exchange for ... for ... eh, the Raiders don't have anything we want.

We could offer one if they would agree to keep Greasy Al on life support for another twenty years or so.

htismaqe · 11-07-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Don't feed me the "well LJ ran for 170 line," either. LJ ran for a billion yards against the Giants and Cowboys and we both lost those.

Damon Huard has the benefit of having a defense, rather than the _efense Trent has had to suffer through...

philfree · 11-07-2006, 05:44 PM

Best case scenario is for Trent to start the Raider game and play well with the Chiefs winning. Then we have our starter and a quality backup waiting in the wings if something goes wrong later. If Trent is truely 100% he will do just fine IMO and it will all me moot. A remeber Trent has had a hot hand for 4 years as the Chiefs QB. He's the 2nd rated QB in the league over that time span bested by only the great Peyton Manning. What if Manning were in Trents position? Would there be a controvercy then? It's a tough call and I'm glad that I'm not the one to have to make it.

PhilFree

**Rain Man** · 11-07-2006, 05:46 PM

I think the inherent challenge in this is that an apples-to-apples comparison is impossible at this point. Damon is working under a different offensive coordinator and coach, and with a much higher-achieving defense, but with an offensive line that has been in high turmoil due to injuries and retirements. We don't know how Trent would perform in the same situation because he hasn't been in that situation.

**Easy 6** · 11-07-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Right now I'd rather have Damon. He's got the team behind him and he seems to be emotional about everything going on during the game. I can't remember the last time Trent Green got in someone's face and screamed at them for dropping a sure touch-down...least of all Larry Johnson.

I do absolutely love Damons fiery temperment, its easy to admire. I dont take away from Trent for his lack of it 'cause guys just have different styles but Damon does earn BIG points with me for being vocal & PASSIONATE.

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11-07-2006, 05:24 PM	#153
RINGLEADER In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Confusion, USA Casino cash: $8590503	This is the dynamic that I don't think a lot of people are addressing. Stick with the hot hand. Because I can tell you that the level of second-guessing and finger-pointing (among fans, players, coaches, and the media - for what they're worth) is going to go through the roof if Trent comes back for the Oakland game, plays bad and we lose. If Damon is in there and that happens then you make the change. The loss would suck but I don't think anyone would be laying it on Damon after the way he's played. He really is playing like a Pro-Bowl quarterback right now. And for all the people who say that Damon can't move the ball as well as Trent I just point to the four games this season where we had leads, the other team fought back, but then Damon put together long scoring drives to seal the deal. San Diego, Arizona, Seattle, and St. Louis all scratched back into the game (or took the lead) but Damon put 'em away. I'm not anti-Trent or anti-Damon. I'm pro-winning. And right now the team is gel'd around Damon, moving the ball well and scoring lots of points. Why screw with a good thing? I haven't heard anyone explain to me what the good reason is to do that. So we can -maybe- get 35 points instead of 31? Anyway, I stand behind Herm whatever the decision. Just think you play the hot hand until it gets cool.
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11-07-2006, 05:28 PM	#156
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9363645	If Trent gets the job back, and he stinks, how many of you will blame Herm for making the switch? You stick with the hot hand in sports. Put your ego aside, forget the past because it doesn't mean one thing toward the immediate future. Huard has 11 TDs and 1 pick. To say that Huard hasn't won any, but kept the team from losing is ridiculous. He did something that Trent Green couldn't do last week. Win on the road. I love Trent, but this is out of hand already. Don't feed me the "well LJ ran for 170 line," either. LJ ran for a billion yards against the Giants and Cowboys and we both lost those. __________________
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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $1276198	Best case scenario is for Trent to start the Raider game and play well with the Chiefs winning. Then we have our starter and a quality backup waiting in the wings if something goes wrong later. If Trent is truely 100% he will do just fine IMO and it will all me moot. A remeber Trent has had a hot hand for 4 years as the Chiefs QB. He's the 2nd rated QB in the league over that time span bested by only the great Peyton Manning. What if Manning were in Trents position? Would there be a controvercy then? It's a tough call and I'm glad that I'm not the one to have to make it. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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11-07-2006, 05:46 PM	#164
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $2948491 VARSITY	I think the inherent challenge in this is that an apples-to-apples comparison is impossible at this point. Damon is working under a different offensive coordinator and coach, and with a much higher-achieving defense, but with an offensive line that has been in high turmoil due to injuries and retirements. We don't know how Trent would perform in the same situation because he hasn't been in that situation. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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