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Old 08-05-2008, 10:30 PM  
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So your kid turns out to be a gay...
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edit: you gotta beat it out of him, right?

another edit: forgot.... the power of prayer will take care of it too
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Old 08-06-2008, 12:47 PM   #151
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I am aware of this. I know that recent studies have shown that identical twins are not as identical as scientists once believed. In many ways, I am not particularly surprised since there are genetic repair mechanisms in the cell that can go haywire and that genes can become modified (phosphorylation) due to environmental factors. You also mention maternal effects.

However, my sister, aunt and I debated the value of twin studies in light of this evidence (I have a MS in molecular bio, but i ended up becoming a lawyer. My aunt and sister both have Ph. Ds in biology. My sister has become a "stay at home" mom for the last five years, but my aunt is a bio dept head of a small catholic college).

Twins still show more genetic correlation than any other relationship. Their genetic similarity is still very high (over 90%) and my aunt and sister concluded that twin studies still have value.

First of all, behavior studies with twins HAVE had numerous studies show high correlation rates (over 80%) in twins raised apart in many experiments. Secondly, there isn't any way for humans to be more genetically similar so there really isn't any better alternative method. The bottom line is you must keep in mind that identical twins are not truly identical when interpreting results.

I also suspect twin studies are going to be more valuable in genetic traits defined by single allelle or small number allelle systems, while complex traits defined by large number of allelles are more likely to diverge.

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Old 08-06-2008, 12:50 PM   #152
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I don't know how I'd react, and don't wish to have the opportunity to find out.

The truth is, I love my kids more that I could explain, and I'd try to tackle a train to help them. If one of them came to me with this, I'd probably be disappointed and likely concerned. I'd be concerned because of the social stigma, dangers of the lifestyle in which they may become involved (drugs, increased suicide rates, increased sexual diseases), but I can't imagine it would affect the way I care for them.

On the other note, I wouldn't think I could be around it, wouldn't support it as healthy, but I'd try not to make their life any tougher than it is. I also think for some reason, I'd be hit harder by the news if it were a son than a daughter.

I don't know why people are ghey, but I know some just are. I know enough of them to know that the ones I know are either very nice and decent people, or are flaming, attention starved, self destructive freaks. I assume its a genetic reason, likely a flaw, no different than a cleft pallet, 11th toe or some other abnormality.
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Old 08-06-2008, 01:09 PM   #153
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Old 08-06-2008, 03:10 PM   #154
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I don't believe it is "Christian bashing."
I believe it is "certain Christian bashing."
FOr an example you'll understand. If you Don't like Barack Obama because he's a Socialist, that doesn't mean you dislike all black people.... just the socialist ones.
So in this case, I don't think the joke was about all Christians... just the ones who believe prayer "cures" homosexuality.
Whatever group the bigotry was aimed at, it was bigotry nonetheless. The difference between it and what RibKing said is that one form is politically incorrect and the other is acceptable to the PC crowd. I suspect that you're right that the snide remarks were not targeting all Christians because that term can cover a lot of territory as Chicago's TUCC demonstrates, but that doesn't change the point I was making about political correctness. Thanks for the refinement though.
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Old 08-06-2008, 03:13 PM   #155
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Old 08-06-2008, 03:21 PM   #156
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I dunno. I suspect that part of it has to do with "pray the gay away" jokes being satirical in nature rather than hateful, ignorant bullshit about how your son had better not be no queer.

To clarify:

Joking about stupid shit like "teaching" your kid to be straight, or taking them hunting, or praying them away, or sending them to a camp that tells them they'd better repress their feelings or God's going to send them to hell? Satire of stupid ideas.

Saying you'd disown your kid if they turned out to be gay? Just ****ing stupid.

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No, I'm pretty sure they're just as hateful.
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Old 08-06-2008, 03:27 PM   #157
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Whatever group the bigotry was aimed at, it was bigotry nonetheless. The difference between it and what RibKing said is that one form is politically incorrect and the other is acceptable to the PC crowd. I suspect that you're right that the snide remarks were not targeting all Christians because that term can cover a lot of territory as Chicago's TUCC demonstrates, but that doesn't change the point I was making about political correctness. Thanks for the refinement though.


Hey, what happened to the part about "anything goes liberal Christians"?
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Hey, what happened to the part about "anything goes liberal Christians"?
I read it after it was posted and decided the part of the post leading up to that was too antagonistic so I rewrote it. But I'm sure you're aware that there are groups who are nominally Christians who have a liberal, [nearly] "anything goes" approach to religion.
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Old 08-06-2008, 04:00 PM   #159
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No, it's your kid who turned out to be gay.

Maybe there's a poll coming or something...
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I read it after it was posted and decided the part of the post leading up to that was too antagonistic so I rewrote it. But I'm sure you're aware that there are groups who are nominally Christians who have a liberal, [nearly] "anything goes" approach to religion.

Can you be "nominally Christian"? Seems to me like you either are or you aren't. Not that I know much about it, I'm just lately starting to dip my toes back in those waters.
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No, I'm pretty sure they're just as hateful.
i was one of those guys who made the "pray hard" comment and i happen to be very christian. i go to church at least a few times a month and i'm in college...

but i've been witness to some of these ignorant people who try to "pray the gay away" like their kid is possessed by some demon... it's comical
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Can you be "nominally Christian"? Seems to me like you either are or you aren't. Not that I know much about it, I'm just lately starting to dip my toes back in those waters.
Well no, not really. But what else are you going to call them?
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Well no, not really. But what else are you going to call them?

Christians?
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