Chiefs O-Line analysis - Page 11

milkman · 03-20-2010, 08:34 AM

Saw this posted eleswhere.
Took a quick look around and didn't see it here.
If it's repost, then that's just too damn bad.

Frankie gets to give me shit, though, if it is.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-line-analysis

With the addition of what should be two new starters, I thought I would give you a few facts that the public is not aware of, along with some personal reflection on my part.

The Chiefs have made some positive moves this past week, but the team knows a lot more has to be done. They need a right tackle and depth.

I thought I would expand a bit and give some statistics you will rarely see anywhere.

First of all, this OL was bad last year, but that's in the past.

Lets look at the starters at this point.

BRANDEN ALBERT

Albert did not have the greatest of seasons in this year's rankings. His overall ranking was in the bottom 20 percent among offensive tackles in the league. He gave up seven sacks and 18 QB pressures playing left tackle. He was also guilty of being called for 13 penalties—that was more than any tackle in football.

I think a lot of the problem with Albert was that he played hurt. He started the year injured but was still willing to play. One would have to wonder if that in any way hindered his performance. I believe it did.

Albert is too gifted to not succeed at that position. We have not seen Albert at his best.

As a straight-ahead run blocker, at the line, he has average strength. It's when he's on the move that he is most dangerous.

At Virginia, Albert pulled frequently from his left guard position. The longer he ran, the bigger the impact. He was a BEAST when it came to blocking on the move—I mean he exploded into guys on the second level and drove them into the ground. That was the big reason for his success—his explosion on the move.

I would think that with Charles and Jones, who are better in space, Albert should find more confidence that will help him from being measured only by his ability to pass block. If healthy, he'll get a lot better. He has the feet to protect the quarterback.

One more note about Albert: Many have said that he was a natural guard in college and that he didn't play tackle because Eugene Monroe was better. That is totally untrue. The reason he played guard is because Monroe refused to. Albert made that move inside because he was an unselfish player. So before people jump to conclusions, they shouldn't speak at all unless they know the whole story.

The people involved in this falsehood were fellow divisional "bashers" not Chief bloggers

BRIAN WATERS

Waters had a very poor season as well, mostly because of aging. He ranked 20th amongst players at his position, and most of the reason he was that high was because of his excellent pass protection. For the season, he was charged with only giving up one sack. In addition, when blocking straight ahead, he opened a few holes. But his mobility is the problem at this point in his career.

His other problems? Penalties.

Like Albert, he was the most penalized player at his position in the game.

Despite those figures he's still a very good player—just not one of the best anymore.

CASEY WEIGMANN

Weigmann ranked 23rd out of the 32 starting offensive centers last year. At his age, his better years are behind him, but that doesn't mean he can't play. He was only slightly better at pass blocking than Niswanger, but he graded out much better as a run blocker.

Weigman, of course, played in a zone-blocking scheme in Denver and played extremely well these past few years, proving that he was not as washed up as the Chiefs thought. He still excels in making line calls and adjustments, and he can still pull.

Remember those classic sweeps that Priest Holmes ran under Vermeil? It was Weigmann that was the first guy down the field, not Roaf or Shields. The problem now, however, is how much does he have left?

RYAN LILJA

Well, we all know his story, so I won't repeat it. Lilja graded out at 14th at offensive guard—which is very good. It is by far the best grade of any Chief lineman last year.

Despite being 290 pounds, it is his run blocking that stood out more than his pass protection. He was in the top five out of 64 guards when it came to screen blocking—great news for the Chiefs with both Albert and Weigmann excelling in that area.

He did not give up many sacks, but you have to take into account the quarterback that was behind him all these years.

Indianapolis usually leads the NFL in pass protection, but its not because the line is that talented. It's because they have Peyton Manning. It is Manning's intelligence, ability to get rid of the ball quickly, short drops, making quick reads, and throwing the ball away that skewed their stats favorably.

Without a doubt though, Lilja will play as well as Cassel plays, which means that Cassel needs to play well.

RYAN O'CALLIGHAN

Do you really want to know? I didn't think so.

Actually I thought he did OK, but looks are deceiving. He finished 57th. He played less than 850 snaps and still gave up nine sacks and was responsible for 24 QB pressures. His run blocking was just as bad, and he got flagged a lot to boot. Its very clear with this guy—bad starter, but decent, experienced backup.

As for the backups, well, if everything was great in Kansas City most of the guys mentioned would be the backups. Niswanger provides depth at center. Ndukwe played out of position at tackle, but is really their depth at guard. After that, all bets are off.

So where does that leave the Chiefs?

They need to get a stud right tackle for sure and a few guys they can groom for the immediate future.

Many people now feel that Bulaga and Okung don't seem to fit at this point.

But they're wrong.

Both of those guys are outstanding run blockers and would be great right tackles. In addition, that player would provide depth at left tackle, should Albert get hurt. Last year, they played the season without one.

No matter how you slice it, the Chiefs now have a better line, and that's good news.

But it's not rebuilt yet. We'll see where they are after draft days.

(Props to HG at HoTC)

aturnis · 03-21-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Barry Richardson has the talent and athletic ability to be a damn good RT.

He just seems to lack the motivation and desire to achieve his potential.

That and he's slow.

Mecca · 03-21-2010, 07:40 PM

If he's slow O'Callaghan must have had his legs amputated.

aturnis · 03-21-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Certainly you know the difference between a 1st round pick and a 4th round pick. Oh no you don't you're a ****ing idiot.

Before the combines and other workouts your boy WAS considered a 4th round pick jackhole.

Mecca · 03-21-2010, 07:44 PM

Which is still higher than Kyle Calloway....Washington is at least pretty athletic, Calloway is not, I will never understand the endless love that guy gets other than he plays for Iowa and we have posters from there.

milkman · 03-21-2010, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis

That and he's slow.

He's deliberate, but his feet are fairly quick.

milkman · 03-21-2010, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

If he's slow O'Callaghan must have had his legs amputated.

O'Callahgan looks like a guy with his feet anchored in mud.

aturnis · 03-21-2010, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

If he's slow O'Callaghan must have had his legs amputated.

You guys just can't admit you were wrong can you?

You wanted him drafted in the 3rd, and he fell to the 6th.
"Wow, we got a steal."
Nevermind that 31 other teams passed on him 3 different times before we ended up taking him late. He must be good though, the o-line "gurus" said so.

He sucks it up at training camp and...
"He needs a little time, just wait 'til next year."

He sucks in games and practices under two different coaching systems and GM's and...
"He's a LT, plain and simple, he just can't make that switch to the right side. He'll make it somewhere else on the right side, he's an NFL caliber lineman for sure."

Please, he sucks, I've seen him raped by Minnesota's 3rd and 4th string LE's in training camp. Get it, camp fodder and practice squad guys ABUSED him. Not an embellishment, they literally ran right around him EVERY time.

Mecca · 03-21-2010, 07:56 PM

What exactly are you arguing?

O'Callaghan played all year and sucked complete and total dick, what is the point of arguing this?

milkman · 03-21-2010, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis

You guys just can't admit you were wrong can you?

You wanted him drafted in the 3rd, and he fell to the 6th.
"Wow, we got a steal."
Nevermind that 31 other teams passed on him 3 different times before we ended up taking him late. He must be good though, the o-line "gurus" said so.

He sucks it up at training camp and...
"He needs a little time, just wait 'til next year."

He sucks in games and practices under two different coaching systems and GM's and...
"He's a LT, plain and simple, he just can't make that switch to the right side. He'll make it somewhere else on the right side, he's an NFL caliber lineman for sure."

Please, he sucks, I've seen him raped by Minnesota's 3rd and 4th string LE's in training camp. Get it, camp fodder and practice squad guys ABUSED him. Not an embellishment, they literally ran right around him EVERY time.

The fact that he can't seem to find the motivation, a question going into the draft, to play to his potential doesn't diminish, in any way, the fact that he does have the talent to succeed.

It's becoming more and more apparent that he just doesn't have the desire.

aturnis · 03-21-2010, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

What exactly are you arguing?

O'Callaghan played all year and sucked complete and total dick, what is the point of arguing this?

When did I argue that? Please, find it.

I'm saying that Richardson is not a good RT. At least No'Call could occasionally find himself in someones way. Even if it were an accident.

aturnis · 03-21-2010, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

The fact that he can't seem to find the motivation, a question going into the draft, to play to his potential doesn't diminish, in any way, the fact that he does have the talent to succeed.

It's becoming more and more apparent that he just doesn't have the desire.

Really? He would rather make almost no money at all than to play in the NFL even as a backup for 10yrs? Sounds like baseless speculation to me. You guys have not facts.

Bullshit. The guy is slow.

milkman · 03-21-2010, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis

Really? He would rather make almost no money at all than to play in the NFL even as a backup for 10yrs? Sounds like baseless speculation to me. You guys have not facts.

Bullshit. The guy is slow.

Okay.

Just shut the **** up.

The motivation issue has been a question for Richardson since he was in college.

It was the primary reason his draft stock fell.

That is a fact that has been talked about for years.

Mecca · 03-21-2010, 08:09 PM

I'm pretty sure if Richardson started as many games as O'Callaghan did he wouldn't be as completely awful as O'Callaghan was.

But either way the argument is pointless, just like wanting to draft O'Callghans twin from iowa is pointless.

aturnis · 03-21-2010, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Okay.

Just shut the **** up.

The motivation issue has been a question for Richardson since he was in college.

It was the primary reason his draft stock fell.

That is a fact that has been talked about for years.

Sure bet that's fact. Just like the Colts wanted to go bigger right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm pretty sure if Richardson started as many games as O'Callaghan did he wouldn't be as completely awful as O'Callaghan was.

But either way the argument is pointless, just like wanting to draft O'Callghans twin from iowa is pointless.

We'll see about your comparison. I'm pretty sure you only feel that way b/c he is from Iowa though.

milkman · 03-21-2010, 08:12 PM

The fact that this guy thinks that drafting Calloway in the fourth round tells me he's as clueless as Clathan in a whorehouse.

03-20-2010, 08:34 AM
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	O-Line analysis Saw this posted eleswhere. Took a quick look around and didn't see it here. If it's repost, then that's just too damn bad. Frankie gets to give me shit, though, if it is. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...-line-analysis With the addition of what should be two new starters, I thought I would give you a few facts that the public is not aware of, along with some personal reflection on my part. The Chiefs have made some positive moves this past week, but the team knows a lot more has to be done. They need a right tackle and depth. I thought I would expand a bit and give some statistics you will rarely see anywhere. First of all, this OL was bad last year, but that's in the past. Lets look at the starters at this point. BRANDEN ALBERT Albert did not have the greatest of seasons in this year's rankings. His overall ranking was in the bottom 20 percent among offensive tackles in the league. He gave up seven sacks and 18 QB pressures playing left tackle. He was also guilty of being called for 13 penalties—that was more than any tackle in football. I think a lot of the problem with Albert was that he played hurt. He started the year injured but was still willing to play. One would have to wonder if that in any way hindered his performance. I believe it did. Albert is too gifted to not succeed at that position. We have not seen Albert at his best. As a straight-ahead run blocker, at the line, he has average strength. It's when he's on the move that he is most dangerous. At Virginia, Albert pulled frequently from his left guard position. The longer he ran, the bigger the impact. He was a BEAST when it came to blocking on the move—I mean he exploded into guys on the second level and drove them into the ground. That was the big reason for his success—his explosion on the move. I would think that with Charles and Jones, who are better in space, Albert should find more confidence that will help him from being measured only by his ability to pass block. If healthy, he'll get a lot better. He has the feet to protect the quarterback. One more note about Albert: Many have said that he was a natural guard in college and that he didn't play tackle because Eugene Monroe was better. That is totally untrue. The reason he played guard is because Monroe refused to. Albert made that move inside because he was an unselfish player. So before people jump to conclusions, they shouldn't speak at all unless they know the whole story. The people involved in this falsehood were fellow divisional "bashers" not Chief bloggers BRIAN WATERS Waters had a very poor season as well, mostly because of aging. He ranked 20th amongst players at his position, and most of the reason he was that high was because of his excellent pass protection. For the season, he was charged with only giving up one sack. In addition, when blocking straight ahead, he opened a few holes. But his mobility is the problem at this point in his career. His other problems? Penalties. Like Albert, he was the most penalized player at his position in the game. Despite those figures he's still a very good player—just not one of the best anymore. CASEY WEIGMANN Weigmann ranked 23rd out of the 32 starting offensive centers last year. At his age, his better years are behind him, but that doesn't mean he can't play. He was only slightly better at pass blocking than Niswanger, but he graded out much better as a run blocker. Weigman, of course, played in a zone-blocking scheme in Denver and played extremely well these past few years, proving that he was not as washed up as the Chiefs thought. He still excels in making line calls and adjustments, and he can still pull. Remember those classic sweeps that Priest Holmes ran under Vermeil? It was Weigmann that was the first guy down the field, not Roaf or Shields. The problem now, however, is how much does he have left? RYAN LILJA Well, we all know his story, so I won't repeat it. Lilja graded out at 14th at offensive guard—which is very good. It is by far the best grade of any Chief lineman last year. Despite being 290 pounds, it is his run blocking that stood out more than his pass protection. He was in the top five out of 64 guards when it came to screen blocking—great news for the Chiefs with both Albert and Weigmann excelling in that area. He did not give up many sacks, but you have to take into account the quarterback that was behind him all these years. Indianapolis usually leads the NFL in pass protection, but its not because the line is that talented. It's because they have Peyton Manning. It is Manning's intelligence, ability to get rid of the ball quickly, short drops, making quick reads, and throwing the ball away that skewed their stats favorably. Without a doubt though, Lilja will play as well as Cassel plays, which means that Cassel needs to play well. RYAN O'CALLIGHAN Do you really want to know? I didn't think so. Actually I thought he did OK, but looks are deceiving. He finished 57th. He played less than 850 snaps and still gave up nine sacks and was responsible for 24 QB pressures. His run blocking was just as bad, and he got flagged a lot to boot. Its very clear with this guy—bad starter, but decent, experienced backup. As for the backups, well, if everything was great in Kansas City most of the guys mentioned would be the backups. Niswanger provides depth at center. Ndukwe played out of position at tackle, but is really their depth at guard. After that, all bets are off. So where does that leave the Chiefs? They need to get a stud right tackle for sure and a few guys they can groom for the immediate future. Many people now feel that Bulaga and Okung don't seem to fit at this point. But they're wrong. Both of those guys are outstanding run blockers and would be great right tackles. In addition, that player would provide depth at left tackle, should Albert get hurt. Last year, they played the season without one. No matter how you slice it, the Chiefs now have a better line, and that's good news. But it's not rebuilt yet. We'll see where they are after draft days. (Props to HG at HoTC)
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03-21-2010, 07:40 PM	#152
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	If he's slow O'Callaghan must have had his legs amputated.
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03-21-2010, 07:44 PM	#154
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	Which is still higher than Kyle Calloway....Washington is at least pretty athletic, Calloway is not, I will never understand the endless love that guy gets other than he plays for Iowa and we have posters from there.
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03-21-2010, 07:56 PM	#158
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	What exactly are you arguing? O'Callaghan played all year and sucked complete and total dick, what is the point of arguing this?
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03-21-2010, 08:09 PM	#163
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	I'm pretty sure if Richardson started as many games as O'Callaghan did he wouldn't be as completely awful as O'Callaghan was. But either way the argument is pointless, just like wanting to draft O'Callghans twin from iowa is pointless.
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03-21-2010, 08:12 PM	#165
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	The fact that this guy thinks that drafting Calloway in the fourth round tells me he's as clueless as Clathan in a whorehouse. __________________
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