Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 11

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

**Reaper16** · 04-25-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is ridiculous.

SI and Rick Gosselin think the Chiefs drafts were A+ (Better than Seattle) but I read from a few snarky know-it-alls that because they passed on a ****ing fatass, lazy NT or didn't draft an ILB or broke OLB in the second, Pioli's a moron and the Chiefs are doomed to suck.

Meanwhile, if they HAD taken any of those guys, they all come with significant risks. There is no more risk than usual in an NFL draft by taking a playmaker in McCluster who can virtually play at any skill position on offense or the most dynamic returner (and a damn good CB).

The level of faux outrage displayed by some is completely ****ing laughable AND predictable.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Mostly because I have no idea what I'm talking about -- the post you quoted was a botched joke because I misread someone's username.

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is ridiculous.

SI and Rick Gosselin think the Chiefs drafts were A+ (Better than Seattle) but I read from a few snarky know-it-alls that because they passed on a ****ing fatass, lazy NT or didn't draft an ILB or broke OLB in the second, Pioli's a moron and the Chiefs are doomed to suck.

Meanwhile, if they HAD taken any of those guys, they all come with significant risks. There is no more risk than usual in an NFL draft by taking a playmaker in McCluster who can virtually play at any skill position on offense or the most dynamic returner (and a damn good CB).

The level of faux outrage displayed by some is completely ****ing laughable AND predictable.

Who hacked into Dane's account?

**notorious** · 04-25-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is ridiculous.

SI and Rick Gosselin think the Chiefs drafts were A+ (Better than Seattle) but I read from a few snarky know-it-alls that because they passed on a ****ing fatass, lazy NT or didn't draft an ILB or broke OLB in the second, Pioli's a moron and the Chiefs are doomed to suck.

Meanwhile, if they HAD taken any of those guys, they all come with significant risks. There is no more risk than usual in an NFL draft by taking a playmaker in McCluster who can virtually play at any skill position on offense or the most dynamic returner (and a damn good CB).

The level of faux outrage displayed by some is completely ****ing laughable AND predictable.

Yes.

I am tired of the glass half-empty mentality. It's time to look at what we did get out of the draft:

A mean and nasty bastard for the OLine

Possibly the best safety in the NFL for the next 10 years

Two fantastic playmakers that can change a game on ONE play

A TE, if he can stay healthy, will be in the top 10 TE's in the NFL.

Coogs · 04-25-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

****. In my sleep-deprived haze I thought that Groves posted that. I'm deleting my post out of shame.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I have no idea what you're talking about. Mostly because I have no idea what I'm talking about -- the post you quoted was a botched joke because I misread someone's username.

What I'm talking about are some of the members here screaming and whining and bitching that THEIR players weren't chosen.

FTR, I happen to like most of those guys quite a bit and communicate with them outside of the forum. I have great respect for them as human beings and our friendships.

I just happen to think they're wrong.

Passing up a franchise QB for a ****ing 5 tech is criminal. Drafting for a one year wonder was flat out dumb. Taking another 5 tech and a junior CB with issues was asinine. I've complained about all of those moves for the past year and I haven't changed my opinion.

But in taking the best safety prospect in a decade, two dynamic players, a ****ing stud guard and a TE with a gigantic upside, I have absolutely NO complaints. I like the 5th round selections as well.

I think this 40 time bullshit is overrated as well. Scouts look at two things: How fast a guy plays (projected 40 time) and his 40 time. If his projected time is faster than his actual time, that means he's an instinctual player on defense. There have been plenty of "fast" draft choices (Gholston, DJ, etc.) that can't play at the next level consistently (or at all) because they aren't instinctive football players.

The bottom line is that the Chiefs DID address needs in the 2010 draft but obviously not the "needs" that some felt were necessary this year.

**notorious** · 04-25-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I have no idea what you're talking about. Mostly because I have no idea what I'm talking about

Rep for honesty.

patteeu · 04-25-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We aren't talking about taking O-Lineman here.

We are talking foundational player that could come in and start and have playmaking ability.

We are talking about full time playmaker v. part time play maker.

Yeah, I understand what you're talking about and I understand that there's a difference in how the word "foundational" is being used. I just thought it was funny how it sounded so much like the arguments that the OL fans get blasted for.

I don't agree with your full time versus part time distinction though. At least not in the context of these picks against some of the guys that the "playmaker" advocates (maybe not you) were calling for (e.g. Spiller, Tate, Haden, Gilyard, etc.)

**Reaper16** · 04-25-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What I'm talking about are some of the members here screaming and whining and bitching that THEIR players weren't chosen.

FTR, I happen to like most of those guys quite a bit and communicate with them outside of the forum. I have great respect for them as human beings and our friendships.

I just happen to think they're wrong.

Passing up a franchise QB for a ****ing 5 tech is criminal. Drafting for a one year wonder was flat out dumb. Taking another 5 tech and a junior CB with issues was asinine. I've complained about all of those moves for the past year and I haven't changed my opinion.

But in taking the best safety prospect in a decade, two dynamic players, a ****ing stud guard and a TE with a gigantic upside, I have absolutely NO complaints. I like the 5th round selections as well.

I think this 40 time bullshit is overrated as well. Scouts look at two things: How fast a guy plays (projected 40 time) and his 40 time. If his projected time is faster than his actual time, that means he's an instinctual player on defense. There have been plenty of "fast" draft choices (Gholston, DJ, etc.) that can't play at the next level consistently (or at all) because they aren't instinctive football players.

The bottom line is that the Chiefs DID address needs in the 2010 draft but obviously not the "needs" that some felt were necessary this year.

And that is why I haven't been yelling at you or calling you names since yesterday -- we may have some disagreements regarding this draft but your positions are well-argued and sensible. I was disappointed though when you called me out for faux outrage, implying that I would have bitched no matter what happened in the draft.

bowener · 04-25-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Tebow was the steal of the draft IMO. I don't know what happens with our tackles, we got two blue chip tackles though with Clady and Harris so no matter what Denver is fine.

I don't think a player can be a "steal" if they are drafted in the 1st round, and the team that drafted them traded up to draft them 2 rounds before the player was expected to go. The best you can hope for is that he at least justifies his draft position. He will never be known as a steal.

patteeu · 04-25-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yeah, I have no problem wahtsoever with passing on Clausen.

But, in a way, I guess I'm still old school and still love my defense and wanted to see that fixed, and other Berry, I don't see it.

We've had such a crappy defense for so long, it makes me cranky.

I hear that. I was looking forward to a defense heavy draft with some combination of a superstar safety, a pass rushing OLB, and either a ILB or a big NT or both to handle the middle because I miss the days of strong defense in KC. It looks like the Chiefs decided to take a different approach. Even though it's different though, it seems rational to me so I'm cautiously optimistic that their plan will pay off.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

And that is why I haven't been yelling at you or calling you names since yesterday -- we may have some disagreements regarding this draft but your positions are well-argued and sensible. I was disappointed though when you called me out for faux outrage, implying that I would have bitched no matter what happened in the draft.

I apologize. It wasn't my intent to single you out though upon re-reading, I completely understand how you read it as such.

Again, my apologies.

tk13 · 04-25-2010, 01:52 PM

That is definitely one thing you can take out of this draft... that our scouting department does not give a flying leap about 40 times, that's for sure.

Archie Bunker · 04-25-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What I'm talking about are some of the members here screaming and whining and bitching that THEIR players weren't chosen.

FTR, I happen to like most of those guys quite a bit and communicate with them outside of the forum. I have great respect for them as human beings and our friendships.

I just happen to think they're wrong.

Passing up a franchise QB for a ****ing 5 tech is criminal. Drafting for a one year wonder was flat out dumb. Taking another 5 tech and a junior CB with issues was asinine. I've complained about all of those moves for the past year and I haven't changed my opinion.

But in taking the best safety prospect in a decade, two dynamic players, a ****ing stud guard and a TE with a gigantic upside, I have absolutely NO complaints. I like the 5th round selections as well.

I think this 40 time bullshit is overrated as well. Scouts look at two things: How fast a guy plays (projected 40 time) and his 40 time. If his projected time is faster than his actual time, that means he's an instinctual player on defense. There have been plenty of "fast" draft choices (Gholston, DJ, etc.) that can't play at the next level consistently (or at all) because they aren't instinctive football players.

The bottom line is that the Chiefs DID address needs in the 2010 draft but obviously not the "needs" that some felt were necessary this year.

Well said Dane. I will never forgive Pioli for the 09 draft class, throw Sanchez and Maualaga in here and we are on the verge of challenging. But I have no idea how anyone can look at what we have added this weekend and give it a D grade. They filled needs across the board with quality prospects(4 of Gosselin's top 75). It's right up there with the 08 class as far as I'm concerned.
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Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 01:57 PM

Dane I disagree with you the Arenas pick was ****ing horrible. For ****s sake they could have traded back and drafted Arenas. And Pioli has traded how many picks to draft tight ends?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I know I'm in the minority but I liked this draft very much.

As I said about last year, if Pioli had taken Matthews, Cushing, Oher, Harvin, etc. at #3 overall, people would have bitched but Pioli would have been right.

This year, people are bitching but unlike last year, I think Pioli IS right this year.

You can find NT's and ILB on cut down day that can fill a need. What you can't find are the best young returners in the country, young playmaking slot receivers and young instinctive football players.

They'll probably only win 6-7 games this year. I think 2012 is the year they become a consistent playoff team, IF Pioli's plan works.

That is demonstrably false.

The Pro Bowl is littered with UDFA kick returners. Clifton Smith, Michael Lewis, Josh Cribbs, to name a few.

Not to mention elite KR's like LaRod Stephens-Howling, Stefan Logan, or even SEMO's own Willie Ponder.

Wasting a 2nd round draft pick on a kick returner is completely foolish.

What you can't find are elite nose tackles off the street.

Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork, Jamal Williams, Shaun Rogers, and Kris Jenkins were all very high draft picks.

It's a complete inversion of value.

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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $1717558	Dane I disagree with you the Arenas pick was **ing horrible. For **s sake they could have traded back and drafted Arenas. And Pioli has traded how many picks to draft tight ends?
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