Great news on CBA

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SI_PeterKing Peter King
For fb fans, Doty's ruling that NFL can't use $4B in TV money for '11 expenses during lockout is gd news. Could push sides to legit talks.


AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Doty ruled for Players in TV Case. Overturned Burbank's Decision. All TV Contracts violate CBA. Separate earing to come on the damages.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

There have been 9 different World Series winners in the last 10 years. That's more different champions than any of the other 4 major U.S. sports during that span. Even going back to 15 years only puts baseball even with the NFL, and still ahead of the NHL and NBA.

and every world series winner but one was in the top 15 in payroll

the marlins(25th) were ranked outside of 15.

money wins

i posted every WS winner, with their rank, in the last Union argument thread

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, you mean like in 2010?

omg, you're a douchebag supreme

one gawd dam season WITH policies in place for free agency etc ... and WITH the owners clearly already having discussion(*cough*collusion*cough*) about spending etc.

you lose the salary cap for good and all that changes ... Jerry Jones(and others) already doesn't like revenue sharing as it is

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

Is Baseball protected by the same exemption?

No. Baseball's protection came about via a 1922 Supreme Court ruling, and its antitrust exemption is far more extensive than that of the 3 other sports. As a note of trivia

In 1998, Congress passed the Curt Flood Act, which partially repealed the antitrust exemption to give the Players Association the same rights as the unions in the other major sports. Congress specifically stated that the exemption was still intact with respect to relocation, the reserve clause, the minor leagues, and broadcasting contracts. This Act also had the effect of writing the antitrust exemption into law, ensuring that a full repeal will only come from Congress, and not the Supreme Court.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=1286

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

MLB has no salary cap. MLB has revenue sharing.

MLB has a salary tax and the teams spending difference still range from 50-200 million.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The NFL doesn't have "Broad Anti-Trust Exemptions" but they are covered by Anti-Trust laws.

If the union decertifies, the NFL loses their exemption and then can be sued by any and all NFL players.

They can be sued now. By decertifying they substantially increase the odds of lawsuits being more effective... but it's not like MLB, these are mostly ASSUMPTIONS since it's not clearly defined.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

All the major sports have anti-trust exemptions, so it is true. It just so happens that baseball's is more broad due to previous legislation. But for all intents and purposes, all major American sports have that exemption, which is one of the reasons why draftees cannot choose their team, as Dane alluded to.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Laz

and every world series winner but one was in the top 15 in payroll

the marlins(25th) were ranked outside of 15.

money wins

i posted every WS winner, with their rank, in the last Union argument thread

Payroll is not revenue, FYI.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Laz

MLB has a salary tax and the teams spending difference still range from 50-200 million.

I guess I need to repeat myself, since you can't seem to grasp the obvious when it comes to this stuff:

Your post

Originally Posted by Laz

Don't be shy now ... you consider every opinion opposite of yours irrelevant.

If you think it would take more than a season or two for the big market teams to bail on revenue sharing, once that salary cap is gone, you're smoking crack.

MLB has no salary cap. MLB has revenue sharing.

[Bowser]

What the hell is going on in here?

One tiny, simple question -

Yes or no, it was the owners that CHOSE to end the current CBA, not the NFLPA?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

All the major sports have anti-trust exemptions, so it is true. It just so happens that baseball's is more broad due to previous legislation. But for all intents and purposes, all major American sports have that exemption, which is one of the reasons why draftees cannot choose their team, as Dane alluded to.

As I said, they all have certain de facto exemptions (except baseball) but since they are not spelled out ... all we can do is make assumptions as to how effective decertification of the union will be.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Laz

omg, you're a douchebag supreme

one gawd dam season WITH policies in place for free agency etc ... and WITH the owners clearly already having discussion(*cough*collusion*cough*) about spending etc.

you lose the salary cap for good and all that changes ... Jerry Jones(and others) already doesn't like revenue sharing as it is

I'm a douchebag because you're a ****ing idiot?

Nice logic, Laz.

First off, your supposition is ****ing stupid. The NFL owners are claiming that they're losing money and want a higher percentage of the revenue to operate at a profit.

What makes you think that "big market" owners would suddenly spend MORE money than they're currently spending and WHICH owners are you referring to with this little leap of nonsense you've made?

Jerry Jones isn't a "big market" owner. Furthermore, the guy is leveraged out his cock because of the new stadium and existing debt. He isn't going to suddenly spend 50% more on free agents than all the other teams.

The Bears, Giants, Jets, Dolphins and 49ers, all of which would be considered "large market teams" typically don't overpay for free agents, so again, your point is moot.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bowser

What the hell is going on in here?

One tiny, simple question -

Yes or no, it was the owners that CHOSE to end the current CBA, not the NFLPA?

The owners chose to end the current CBA, not the players.

If an agreement isn't reached by March 4th, the owners will lockout the players UNLESS all 32 teams vote to de-certify, which in that case, the players can sue the NFL for locking them out.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The owners chose to end the current CBA, not the players.

If an agreement isn't reached by March 4th, the owners will lockout the players UNLESS all 32 teams vote to de-certify, which in that case, the players can sue the NFL for locking them out.

Heh, it was rhetorical.

If the owners truly ARE losing money hand over fist, they need to prove it by letting the NFLPA look at the books. Until then, it's all just bullshit posturing and a great big greedy grab by the owners.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Laz

and every world series winner but one was in the top 15 in payroll

the marlins(25th) were ranked outside of 15.

money wins

i posted every WS winner, with their rank, in the last Union argument thread

Let us know when there's no revenue sharing in the NFL and then MAYBE your bullshit might be relevant.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

With the current TV contract, it would be almost impossible for any team to lose money in this league. You'd need to draw dick and you'd have to have a Dallas-level payroll.