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Old 12-18-2011, 03:07 PM  
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Would the Chiefs have won this game with Haley?
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:53 PM   #151
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Cassel sucks. Your point?


Do you honestly believe is Haley had spend all week putting together one of his Herm-ball game plans of Run Jones up the middle, Run McCluster up the middle, Short Pass, then punt, punctuated by gadget play dumbassery, interefering with the play calling process, that the Chiefs would have won today?
Of course not, but that's because Haley WANTED to fail. That's why he was sticking with Palko.

Haley had to be fired because he was losing games on purpose for all intents and purposes.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:53 PM   #152
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Which based on cassels accuracy would have set up 3rd and long the majority of the time. You can't call plays your qb is incapable of executing.

Sure you can. Have you not watched a Chiefs game in the last two years?
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:53 PM   #153
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Cassel sucks. Your point?


Do you honestly believe is Haley had spend all week putting together one of his Herm-ball game plans of Run Jones up the middle, Run McCluster up the middle, Short Pass, then punt, punctuated by gadget play dumbassery, interefering with the play calling process, that the Chiefs would have won today?
Haley ran a very wide open offense in az. You're assuming that he doesn't open up a more aggressive game plan with a better qb.

Hell, only play Haley ran with orton, what was it? Deep pass.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:54 PM   #154
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Huh. I'm not much of the type, so I'll just have to let you have that one.
If Haley was able to design a play to intentionally get Orton to hit his hand on a helmet and dislocate his finger then he is an absolute genius.
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Sure you can. Have you not watched a Chiefs game in the last two years?
Yes I have. Whenever cassel was given a deep throw he would either sail it 20 yards over the receivers head or check down too quickly.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:55 PM   #156
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Of course not, but that's because Haley WANTED to fail. That's why he was sticking with Palko.

Haley had to be fired because he was losing games on purpose for all intents and purposes.
I do agree with this. Totally. He was done and wanted out.

Not saying it was right, it pisses me off but that tells you how bad Pioli is to work for if you ask me.
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How so? Like, Haley called a play wanting to get Orton hurt or something?
I think he probably means that he wanted palko to clearly play his way out of his position rather than blindly hand it to orton. That seems pretty clear to me, given that they pulled palko even though we were still very much in a close game.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:57 PM   #158
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Of course not, but that's because Haley WANTED to fail. That's why he was sticking with Palko.

Haley had to be fired because he was losing games on purpose for all intents and purposes.

Ok, so what if Haley really, really wanted to win, and started Orton...hell, give him a mini-Ditka, would he have been capable of putting together a game plan, executing it, and winning the game?

One other thought. In addition to the play calling, the Chiefs did not appear to have* the jitters and problems with illegal motion, players lined up out of position, etc that the offense has had early in recent games.

*I missed the first 10 minutes, so tell me if I'm wrong. I know the defense had problems with substitutions.
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Haley had this team playing like shit. Their mindset was horrible. We weren't physical, and we had no identity.


That alone would have led to GB packing our shit.

Give Crennel credit. This team just physically dominated the World Champs, and it should have been a blowout.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:59 PM   #160
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Of course not, but that's because Haley WANTED to fail. That's why he was sticking with Palko.

Haley had to be fired because he was losing games on purpose for all intents and purposes.
The problem is, we are generalizing that Haley preferred palko over orton. He obviously preferred palko over stanzi but for very different reasons. It was made clear that Haley was more than happy to start orton.
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Haley ran a very wide open offense in az. You're assuming that he doesn't open up a more aggressive game plan with a better qb.

Hell, only play Haley ran with orton, what was it? Deep pass.

It was a gadget play. I'm not entirely sure Palko was done for the day, as much as Haley was trying to get the defense to bite on a gimmick.
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Haley had this team playing like shit. Their mindset was horrible. We weren't physical, and we had no identity.
We completely shut down the Pittsburgh Steelers in a game EXACTLY like this one. The only difference was at QB...
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It was a gadget play. I'm not entirely sure Palko was done for the day, as much as Haley was trying to get the defense to bite on a gimmick.
How does bringing in another QB to run a flea flicker fool the other team?

If anything they should have expected pass. That's logic fail right there.
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We completely shut down the Pittsburgh Steelers in a game EXACTLY like this one. The only difference was at QB...
And SD and Denver and.........
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Haley had this team playing like shit. Their mindset was horrible. We weren't physical, and we had no identity.


That alone would have led to GB packing our shit.

Give Crennel credit. This team just physically dominated the World Champs, and it should have been a blowout.
We physically dominated a lot of teams.

The question is, was the defense more physical because of motivation, or was it because we dominated TOP and kept them fresh? Was our offense more motivated because of crennel, or was that the swagger knowing they finally had a qb that could make plays?

Under cassel, our offense almost NEVER got off to a quick start like this. That went a really long way for us.
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