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Old 01-17-2012, 10:19 AM  
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Why not Kellen Moore ?

There may be the second coming of Drew Brees in this years draft. Kellen Moore is a coaches son who has incredible accuracy and pocket awareness. Here's a link.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...b-kellen-moore
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:23 PM   #151
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Somebody give me a distinction between Kellen Moore and Ty Detmer.
While you are at it, I'll take a distinction between Akili Smith and Robert Griffin.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:24 PM   #152
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Sure.

Tell me when the Chiefs get one of those.

If you are not dead by the time it happens.

By the way, I love those guys.

The "I can throw a football 80 yards on my knees club."

Love those measurables. I bet all those dudes could wing it in those frigid KC December games.
The funny thing about those guys? Even guys like Jeff George, who are poster boys for failed potential, had better NFL careers than the myriad of midget quarterbacks that can't hack it in this league.

The reason the list of failed scrawny quarterbacks with college arms that busted at the NFL level is fairly short is because teams aren't dumb enough to actually waste time, money and resources putting an effort into them.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:31 PM   #153
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While you are at it, I'll take a distinction between Akili Smith and Robert Griffin.
How about the fact that Akili Smith's college performance was about 70% as good as Robert Griffins, it was only 1 legitimately excellent season during college (after 2 in junior college), and that there were concerns regarding his makeup, coachability and intelligence well in advance of the draft? Those solid enough distinctions for you? If not, we can always go with: The Bengals, a franchise notorious for being stupid, stupidly drafted him when other teams were staying away from him due to aforementioned concerns.

So apart from not having nearly as good a college career as Griffin or nearly the personal strengths that RGIII has, not to mention not having close to the raw speed and athleticism RGIII has - there's really no similarity between the two.

Oh, that's right, gotta compare black guys to black guys.

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Old 01-17-2012, 04:33 PM   #154
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I love all the debate.

But WTF?

If you have a choice going into 2012 naming your starter, Moore or Cassel...

How many morons would chose Cassel?
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:41 PM   #155
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I love all the debate.

But WTF?

If you have a choice going into 2012 naming your starter, Moore or Cassel...

How many morons would chose Cassel?
Neither, 1000 times neither.

If the question is "what would you do" I'd go with Orton and take a stab at someone like Foles in the 2nd or 3rd and hope that the 2012 draft yields a better crop (it will). Actually, that's a lie, I'd make Manning a Godfather offer first and then settle for Orton if necessary. In either event, I damn sure wouldn't waste a roster spot on Moore.

If the question is "what would the Chiefs do" you know they'll go with Cassel. There's just no scenario where "Cassel or Moore and only Cassel or Moore" is a realistic scenario to ponder.

You can't honestly believe that Moore could step in next season and suddenly make this a contending team. Surely you're not going to make that leap. In which case, you're essentially suggesting that we draft him as a long-term option and there's just no way he's worth the trouble there. There are probably 10 quarterbacks in the draft that make better developmental options than him and if you're looking for a stopgap, Brandon Weeden is a better option for a couple of years.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:45 PM   #156
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Neither, 1000 times neither.

If the question is "what would you do" I'd go with Orton and take a stab at someone like Foles in the 2nd or 3rd and hope that the 2012 draft yields a better crop (it will). Actually, that's a lie, I'd make Manning a Godfather offer first and then settle for Orton if necessary. In either event, I damn sure wouldn't waste a roster spot on Moore.

If the question is "what would the Chiefs do" you know they'll go with Cassel. There's just no scenario where "Cassel or Moore and only Cassel or Moore" is a realistic scenario to ponder.

You can't honestly believe that Moore could step in next season and suddenly make this a contending team. Surely you're not going to make that leap. In which case, you're essentially suggesting that we draft him as a long-term option and there's just no way he's worth the trouble there. There are probably 10 quarterbacks in the draft that make better developmental options than him and if you're looking for a stopgap, Brandon Weeden is a better option for a couple of years.
StopGap can go **** himself... I want nothing absolutely nothing to do with Orton...

I would take Tannehill, Moore, Foles or Cousins as my opening day starter over Cassel or Orton...

That times 1 bajillion x's 1 bajillion...
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:49 PM   #157
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StopGap can go **** himself... I want nothing absolutely nothing to do with Orton...

I would take Tannehill, Moore, Foles or Cousins as my opening day starter over Cassel or Orton...

That times 1 bajillion x's 1 bajillion...
And if you had any designs on competing next season, you'd be wrong. Then again, you've been vehemently anti-Orton from the beginning so I'm not terribly surprised by your answer.

It still seems strange to me that so many people refuse to view Orton for what he is - an average NFL quarterback that will do until someone better comes along. Folks like you that absolutely hate the guy see him as precluding a search for a legitimate game-changer for the franchise. I don't understand that.

The Chiefs are the best team in the AFC West with Orton under center next season and if he plays like he played in 2009 and 2010 in Denver, they're absolutely a team that could do some damage in the playoffs. And they could do all that while still developing Foles or a similar project for the future.

It's really not as either/or as some of you want it to be - unless the 'either' is Cassel - in which case I agree that there's really no point.
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Great...Nick Foles. The guy who can't come off his first read. But he's almost as big as Cassel and almost as athletic.
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Great...Nick Foles. The guy who can't come off his first read. But he's almost as big as Cassel and almost as athletic.
Great - Kellen Moore, the guy that can't throw an out route without a full windup. But he's almost as big as Ty Detmer and almost as accomplished.
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Great - Kellen Moore, the guy that can't throw an out route without a full windup.
But, but, but...

Jimmy Clausen had to wind up to throw it 15 yards and 95% of the posters here were praying to the football Gods that he'd be our first rounder.
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Have you ever been to Idaho in the Fall/Winter?

The guy is 50-3 for his college career playing in some of the coldest ****ing weather outside of Antartica.

And he's only physically limited in his height/weight. He's a pretty good athlete.
Which is bullshit because Boise is very mild.
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But, but, but...

Jimmy Clausen had to wind up to throw it 15 yards and 95% of the posters here were praying to the football Gods that he'd be our first rounder.
One can generally discern the quality of an opponents argument by the amount of shit said opponent has to construct from whole cloth in support of same.
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he was taking a shot at the Chiefs front office ... per usual

I understood

Thus ... he's an idiot

Wanna bet?

I'll bet you and pest a 1-month self ban that the Chiefs don't draft Weeden in rds 1 thru 3.

you guys up?
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Again - they're a threshold issue.

You have to have them to be successful in this league. Having an abundance of them, however, doesn't make up for a lack of physical talent.

You know who Moore is? He's Ty Detmer.

Ty Detmer would've been the greatest of all time if he only cared as much as John Elway! Oh wait - that's not right at all. As it turns out, Ty Detmer was a small quarterback with above-average athleticism that kicked the holy shit out of inferior competition in the WAC. He ran a system designed specifically to fit his strengths and he put up video game numbers. He won the Heisman. He even took an overmatched BYU squad and led an improbable, remarkable upset victory over the heavily favored, #1 ranked Miami Hurricanes.

He was still a lousy NFL quarterback.

Somebody give me a distinction between Kellen Moore and Ty Detmer.
He's not Ty Detmer?
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For some reason Moore reminds me of a midget Elway...I don't know why...
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